SANDUSKY....WOW
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Does the fact that the DA declined to file charges absolve JP from his moral and ethical responsibility to prevent JS on campus with kids? Or is it....he was cleared legally, so despite the fact that I have a direct report of a minor being assaulted I can bury my head in the sand and allow that monster to continue to be around children?
That's the debate here. There's no debating legal obligations, after all there is the law of the land to tell us that. But, then we have moral obligation, and there are no hard-set rules for something like that. However, the "collective moral", the people of this country, all feel pretty much the same. Who doesn't? Primarily people with some sort of attachment/relationship with PSU. Whether it's as an alum, a fan, a resident. Who is biased here? Surely not the collective moral?
Sure, there is a lot of sensationalism in our media. There is with everything. But if you break it down to the few known facts there was still a moral obligation for JP to have done more. What made him such a great man? I'd argue it was his willingness to do more than just the minimum. Unfortunately for him, and more so for the kids, he chose the wrong time to stray from the ideals that made him who he is/was.
Here's the rub:
A higher authority - the District Attorney said there was nothing there to press forward with charges.
District Attorney > Joe Paterno
So we're destroying a man for his actions (or inactions) after someone higher than him has previously said - that was not a crime.
This is emotional based decision making at it's worst.
Allow me to bring back an old incident that was horrible due to the emotional outcry of people trying to show how pure their own lives are compared to the rest of us:
Duke, Men's LaCrosse players, 2006, ghetto stripper, rape charges.
we all know how that played out once people got done thumping their chest about how pure and holy they are and demanding justice from the horrific sinners.
WE are destroying a man, who continued to allow his FRIEND a MONSTEr to use Penn State as his carrot to entice these young boys, who he was forcing to have anal sex with him in the showers of PENN STATE!!! Joe Pa knew in 1998 something wasnt right with his FRIEND, thats why he was fired all the sudden, however JOE PA continued to alllow him to use the football program, including trips to bowl games with hotel rooms, where the MOSTER brought these children. JOE PA is not the MONSTER but he is DAMN CLOSE in my opinion and this lets let the facts come out our the chants for Joe Pa really piss me off. Joe Pa continued to provide this Monster the opportunites for 13 FUCKING years. UNREAL.
Also, just recently out, 4 months ago Joe Pa gave his half of the house to his wife for $1. There is no reason to do this, no tax reason, no benefit, she gets it at his death. Oh yeah, there is 1 benefit, it is no longer his asset for the victims who are going to SUE the shit out of this provider. What a fucking loser. I hope he goes away soon, as this shit really gets my blood boiling.
Sorry for the language, but FUCK JOE PA, how many kids did he ruin cause he continued to allow his FRIEND to use Penn State.
joe pa has been full of shit forever and nobody dared call him on it and to say others above him were more responsible......umm......THERE IS NO ONE ABOVE HIM AT THAT MYOPIC SCHOOL......hell, the president and ad asked the old fuck to resign a few years ago and he said NO......shows who's in control.
he knew a LONG time ago and let it continue or looked the other way...he's in pure cover up mode now and using his "solid reputation" and "fans" to help with his defense of not knowing.
he knew a LONG time ago and let it continue or looked the other way...he's in pure cover up mode now and using his "solid reputation" and "fans" to help with his defense of not knowing.
If he was my client, I would have done the same thing. What good could come out of it, what WORSE could come out of it? I mean really that Grand Jury Indictment is TERRIBLE and the media and public, myself included, has already convicted him in our minds.
After watching the interview, the ATTORNEY and his PR TEAM did fail him, as he completly and utterly failed to come across as anything but a pedophile, also I would not have agreed to Costas, he is a seasoned Vet not afraid to ask the tough questions. I would have went with a local new reporter, who I could have controlled more of the questions and had my client try to build a relationship prior to the interview, with Costas he comes in does it the way he wants and out the door, no premeeting and no pretalk or elimination of questions. That is the interesting choice here, but I would have had my client do an interview, just with a different outlet.
Absolutely incorrect. The DA may/or may not have said there is not enough evidence to proceed. That does not mean a crime did not happen. Are you that obtuse?
Under oath, an eye-witness saw a child being sodomized. You cannot argue this, it has been stated under oath by a direct person witnessing it. You tell me, is that a crime? By the letter of the law, yes it is. It's obvious why the DA didn't proceed with charges, there were back-door handshakes. No I cannot prove that. However your case of the DA not pressing charges = no crime took place is completely false.
This one is too easy to argue. There was no witness in the duke trial, just the accuser's word against the team. In this case we have 8 accusers and TWO eye-witnesses who directly witnessed assaults on TWO separate occasions. Not only McQueary see what he did but a member of the janitorial staff witnessed Sandusky performing oral sex on a child How are you even arguing this?
You're really stretching on this one marine.
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I'm not arguing Sandusky's guilt or innocence. I'm arguing the villification of Paterno.
how you can write those sentences next to each other is unsettling.
Back to the topic d'jour.
Mqueary says that he saw the rape going on in the shower that night in 2002 and stopped it and went to the police with it.
The Nov. 8 email from McQueary to a friend, made available to The Associated Press, said: "I did stop it, not physically ... but made sure it was stopped when I left that locker room ... I did have discussions with police and with the official at the university in charge of police .... no one can imagine my thoughts or wants to be in my shoes for those 30-45 seconds ... trust me."
Again, I ask. Why is Paterno the scapegoat with this?
Because he let this man on campus knowing he assaulted a child for years. He gave him access to PSU facilities, camps, games. McQueary was not in the position to prevent Sandusky from having that access. Who did? JoePa. He was the captain of the ship, and you know the old saying.
You must not have kids from the sound of it.
cute - a kids comment. Good job and not making personal attacks here.
If you're going to make the captain of the ship analagy, you might as well say "Penn State is in Pennsylvania, so the Governor is the captain of that ship. He needs to go down too."
I seriously, and utterly SHOCKED at how these incidents being reported to the police and investigated, are being pinned on paterno.
Why isn't the sign for the police department being stripped down? Why are they etching his name off trophies, and not crucifying the people that actually had the specific power to stop this?
If you're going to make the captain of the ship analagy, you might as well say "Penn State is in Pennsylvania, so the Governor is the captain of that ship. He needs to go down too."
I seriously, and utterly SHOCKED at how these incidents being reported to the police and investigated, are being pinned on paterno.
Why isn't the sign for the police department being stripped down? Why are they etching his name off trophies, and not crucifying the people that actually had the specific power to stop this?
Wholeheartily agree with this Marine. I also heard on the radio today that McQueary says after he stopped the incident he went to the police with it. Funny... there is NO REPORT on record of this (according to the news on the radio). Now how in the fuck can there be no report on file if he alerted police to he witnessed a 10 year old kid getting sexually molested???
So.... they may as well take down the entire police department while they are at it.... right Saint?
Seems like there is alot of CYA going on right now (covering your ass)
The "must not have kids comment" :facepalm:
Could Paterno have prevented Sandusky from bringing children to the Penn St Football Facility after the shower incident?
Do you really think that the head of a college football program can be everywhere all at once? You expect him to prop his ass up on a chair and sit by shower entrance all day long to make sure nothing happens?
Are you saying Joe Paterno didn't have the power to prevent him from being on campus? From attending games? From attending camps? Sure he does!
Your exaggeration about the state of PA is kind of silly. We should take down Obama then he's commander in chief.
This is in no way the same with regards to the issues at hand, but there was not a single piece of evidence during the 2 year NCAA investigation that Butch Davis had any idea of the improper benefits or activity of Blake. But, he's captain of the ship, so he ultimately took the fall.
And to clarify, the incidents are not being pinned on Paterno. Nowhere was that said. His response is being scrutinized. There is a very significant distinction between the two.
But alas, we could go back and forth all night. There is a reason that pretty much everyone is on the same page with the exception of those with bias towards the program. If your points held any weight we would have much more resistance and negative feedback from people outside of PA. But...we are not. That's got to tell you something.
