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OK,
So i'll pose this question to you guys to answer. What SHOULD Paterno have done?

Thus far, the reports have indicated that it was brought up the food chanin to the police department.
That Sandusky was not supposed to be in the facilities but it was an unenforcable ban

What else should Paterno have done?
What could he have done, within his power, and legally speaking (i.e, he certainly couldn't castrate the guy or physcially harm him)
 
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allegations involving his adopted son

Deflecting - Now its about Sandusky's step son and the adoption agency and why they're not getting the same treatment Joe Paterno is.

You're comparing apples to coaches that allow child molesters to bring children to their football facility.

Forget all of that. One last question

You're a smart guy, witty as shit too, but I have to know if you're just arguing to argue, or if you really believe that Paterno does not deserve some of the blame.
 

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OK,
So i'll pose this question to you guys to answer. What SHOULD Paterno have done?

Thus far, the reports have indicated that it was brought up the food chanin to the police department.
That Sandusky was not supposed to be in the facilities but it was an unenforcable ban

What else should Paterno have done?
What could he have done, within his power, and legally speaking (i.e, he certainly couldn't castrate the guy or physcially harm him)


Made sure the motherfucker never used the facilities at any time and have any and all staff alerted. How is that unenforcable? You don't think Paterno "owns" the athletic facilities, he knew every damn thing that went on? Overnight football camps? Give me a fucking break. He knew and didn't do shit, hence the firestorm ...
 

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OK,
So i'll pose this question to you guys to answer. What SHOULD Paterno have done?

Thus far, the reports have indicated that it was brought up the food chanin to the police department.
That Sandusky was not supposed to be in the facilities but it was an unenforcable ban

What else should Paterno have done?
What could he have done, within his power, and legally speaking (i.e, he certainly couldn't castrate the guy or physcially harm him)

That is the question we've all been leading up to. And I hope that you'll answer it as well. I'd like to know what you would have done when McQueery came to you and what you would have done to prevent it from happening again.

If you can't keep Sandusky out, make sure he is never alone. A guard patrolling the grounds from 5:00 Pm to 8:00 Am for starters. Fuck it, children are involved, let's make it 24-7. No gun, no baton, no mace, just a walkie fucking talkie. If you notice any naked horseplay call the cops.

Policy update for all staff. Naked old guy and naked young kid ='s cops come immediately. I'm pretty sure that would have stopped any more incidents from occurring in that area of the campus. That exonerates Paterno from any wrongs happening underneath his nose from the time he found out Sandusky was a sicko.

Sandusky is a sick fuck and I believe that he would have continued to abuse children until he was put away. So just removing him from the locker room would not have prevented him from abusing other children but I would bet that Joe Paterno would still be the head coach of Penn St University.

There were a few incidents near the time of Sandusky's retirement that the cops were involved and I wish they had had enough evidence to put the fuck away back then.

The only other thing I could think of would have been to hire a private investigator to follow Sandusky to see if there was any evidence that could be collected to bring him down.

Imagine if Joe had done that, and they put Sandusky away. He'd have been a hero.
 

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marine,


i am penn state alum...

watched everygame for, well, for a lot of years...


loved what joepa "stood for" more then anyone around...

atleast what i thought he stood for...




now, i am as emotionally invested in this as anyone,


but can you really sit here and defend him...

that blows my mind...


how? why?

the man knowingly allowed sandusky around/in the facilitse after knowing what took place.

he allowed him to be around children, peoples children, after knowing what had happend....


no way is that excusable....not at all....not a chance...


comeon man, you have to see why he was fired. if not, well i applaud you for being strong in your opinions/beliefs, but man joepa was wrong...

he has openly apologized for his actions, and admitted he should have done more...

if he can admit he should have done more, why cant you?
 
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Deflecting - Now its about Sandusky's step son and the adoption agency and why they're not getting the same treatment Joe Paterno is.

You're comparing apples to coaches that allow child molesters to bring children to their football facility.

Forget all of that. One last question

You're a smart guy, witty as shit too, but I have to know if you're just arguing to argue, or if you really believe that Paterno does not deserve some of the blame.

Oh he gets some of the blame. But I strongly feel that people have gone way overboard with the punitive actions and villifications of him.

and for the idea above.. about comparing apples to coaches. I'm not deflecting it. I'm questioning why everyone else has been allowed to pass the buck and have it stop on paterno.
We should probably pin the economy problems on him too.
 

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Has Paterno earned some blame for this? yes.

Has that blame and actions against him been completely overboard? Yes

Look, we've got a situation where a man did naughty things with kids. And his day is coming, but nothing has really happened to him yet.

We've got Paterno who didn't touch any boys, and is out a job, out his good name, and people are running around scratching his name off anything they can find to "show their support" against him.

Could he have done more? yes. Do we know what that "more" is or should have been? Nope.
Hindsight is 20/20, and this happened almost 10 years ago. People are acting and thinking like it happened yesterday. So for the last 10 years, people have liked, and looked up to Paterno after this incident happened. And all of a sudden everything the man ever did is stained and tainted.

So what could he have done more? Hire guards? It's a fairly big football facility. One guard certainly wouldn't be enough. You'd need many to cover all the areas and nooks and crannies there. How much does that cost? Raise tuition to cover it, right? Have the Penn State Police do it? They already showed they couldn't or wouldn't. Have the football team take turns doing 4-6 hour shifts all day, every day? I can see how that would play out already...
Hire a PI? pffffffffffft.

What they DID do was take away his office and and put a ban on him from coming into the facility. So they DID do it. The problem is, that ban was deemed unenforceable. Breaking it down, honestly speaking, whoever it was that said the ban was unallowable is the one that should be hung here. Paterno and crew TOOK action, and they were told their actions weren't allowed.

The police were called - per McQuery. Obviously they didn't act on it either.

So aside from contacting the police, taking away Sandusky's space in the building, and not allowing him in the facility - what else could they have done?

It's pretty apparent that there was action taken. Was it enough? Obviously not. Was there, realistically, more things they could do to put a halt to this? Based on the things they did do, and then having them shot down - no. I really don't think you can hold your parade and rally in the streets and say he didn't do anything to stop this.
 

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Oh he gets some of the blame. But I strongly feel that people have gone way overboard with the punitive actions and villifications of him.

and for the idea above.. about comparing apples to coaches. I'm not deflecting it. I'm questioning why everyone else has been allowed to pass the buck and have it stop on paterno.
We should probably pin the economy problems on him too.

Oils over $100 bbl - Thanks Joe

I'm done talking about Paterno - If Jerry Sandusky had never been born, then we probably would not be having this conversation.

I hope they hang him high.
 

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The Penn State story is a sad one. Joe Paterno was a college football icon, and now his legacy will go down as a guy who preferred to allow a predator to victimize young boys rather than have a scandal that would tarnish that legacy. Maybe his motivation was the interest of the program he had devoted so much of his life to. Whatever his reasons, he failed to see the big picture -- the fact that there are things that transcend college football. That's not what makes the story a sad one, of course. The Penn State football program might be decades in recovering from this, might never recover from it, but the same can be said of those victims, and that is what makes it such a sad story.
 

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Could he have done more? yes. Do we know what that "more" is or should have been? Nope.


It was immediately clear to me what more Paterno should have done. Obvious to student writers on the Penn State newspaper too. Paterno should have driven Mike McQueary to the police station and made sure the police report was made and followed up on.

Also, Paterno should have done all he could (and he could do more here than anyone else involved) to find who that victim was and get help to him. But no one anywhere attempted this, all these years. That's shockingly in-humane, but not surprising - when your priorities are conceal and contain, a victim is someone you never want to deal with, must pretend he doesn't even exit.


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If it were Paterno's grandkid getting railed, you can bet "more" would have been done to protect defenseless children! And done immediately too, as is always necessary in allegations such as this.

Thus, Paterno did fulfill his minimum legal obligation to obtain plausible denial of a criminal act, worked hard not to gather any facts, and passed the buck to "superiors" who had less power than him - and when he saw the buck stopped nowhere, he turned a blind eye. In other words, Paterno singularly failed in his moral and humane obligations - obligations he always instilled in his students to follow.

Not a terrible indictment of Paterno. Yes, some have gone overboard attacking him, but I think it does properly stain his legacy some. I don't think we're far apart on that score, Marine.


Hindsight is 20/20, and this happened almost 10 years ago.

True, and I in that position would probably have been as spineless as Paterno was, and just as wrong.

You don't get the benefit of hindsight concerning possible crimes like this.


People are acting and thinking like it happened yesterday. So for the last 10 years, people have liked, and looked up to Paterno after this incident happened. And all of a sudden everything the man ever did is stained and tainted.

Ha! Well, if people who "looked up to Paterno" during this time where made aware of the facts as it appears to us, they might feel him stained and tainted all along--like the mother of the child in the 1998 incident who has viewed these men as "monsters" since 1998.


The police were called - per McQuery. Obviously they didn't act on it either.

That's according to McQuery's private testimony to his friends. McQuery's handwritten statement to the State Attorney he does not mention going to police, and the grand jury report he did not say it either. The police (city and campus), on public record admissible in court, say they were never contacted by McQuery.



So what could he have done more? Hire guards? It's a fairly big football facility. One guard certainly wouldn't be enough. You'd need many to cover all the areas and nooks and crannies there. How much does that cost? Raise tuition to cover it, right? Have the Penn State Police do it? They already showed they couldn't or wouldn't. Have the football team take turns doing 4-6 hour shifts all day, every day? I can see how that would play out already...
Hire a PI? pffffffffffft.

What they DID do was take away his office and and put a ban on him from coming into the facility. So they DID do it. The problem is, that ban was deemed unenforceable. Breaking it down, honestly speaking, whoever it was that said the ban was unallowable is the one that should be hung here. Paterno and crew TOOK action, and they were told their actions weren't allowed.

Yes they took action - action so minimal it was not just immoral, but also criminally prosecutable.

They banned Sandusky from bringing Second Mile kids into the locker room. This AD Curley admitted was "unenforceable," the jurors wrote in the presentment. Banning Sandusky from the campus of Penn State, or the Football facilities, is certainly enforceable and is what should have been done, in the very least.

There is no grey area, or being lenient, in charges of sexual conduct between adults and kids.

If Curley and company thought it a bad idea for Sandusky to bring kids into the showers at Penn State (they obviously were concerned about his "naughty" behavior as you put it) then a full police investigation is immediately warranted (at least notifying them is required by law), let alone finding out who the victims were. This is not just the law, it is manifestly the right thing to do too.

An additional example of cowardice and insensitivity - Paterno and company read the full jury report in March of this year ("rhythmic slapping" etc.) , and yet Sandusky was allowed into the PSU football facilities until just a few weeks ago!

all these folks need to get their ass fired...Oh, that's already been done....


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It was immediately clear to me what more Paterno should have done. Obvious to student writers on the Penn State newspaper too. Paterno should have driven Mike McQueary to the police station and made sure the police report was made and followed up on.

Also, Paterno should have done all he could (and he could do more here than anyone else involved) to find who that victim was and get help to him. But no one anywhere attempted this, all these years. That's shockingly in-humane, but not surprising - when your priorities are conceal and contain, a victim is someone you never want to deal with, must pretend he doesn't even exit.


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If it were Paterno's grandkid getting railed, you can bet "more" would have been done to protect defenseless children! And done immediately too, as is always necessary in allegations such as this.

Thus, Paterno did fulfill his minimum legal obligation to obtain plausible denial of a criminal act, worked hard not to gather any facts, and passed the buck to "superiors" who had less power than him - and when he saw the buck stopped nowhere, he turned a blind eye. In other words, Paterno singularly failed in his moral and humane obligations - obligations he always instilled in his students to follow.

Not a terrible indictment of Paterno. Yes, some have gone overboard attacking him, but I think it does properly stain his legacy some. I don't think we're far apart on that score, Marine.




True, and I in that position would probably have been as spineless as Paterno was, and just as wrong.

You don't get the benefit of hindsight concerning possible crimes like this.




Ha! Well, if people who "looked up to Paterno" during this time where made aware of the facts as it appears to us, they might feel him stained and tainted all along--like the mother of the child in the 1998 incident who has viewed these men as "monsters" since 1998.




That's according to McQuery's private testimony to his friends. McQuery's handwritten statement to the State Attorney he does not mention going to police, and the grand jury report he did not say it either. The police (city and campus), on public record admissible in court, say they were never contacted by McQuery.





Yes they took action - action so minimal it was not just immoral, but also criminally prosecutable.

They banned Sandusky from bringing Second Mile kids into the locker room. This AD Curley admitted was "unenforceable," the jurors wrote in the presentment. Banning Sandusky from the campus of Penn State, or the Football facilities, is certainly enforceable and is what should have been done, in the very least.

There is no grey area, or being lenient, in charges of sexual conduct between adults and kids.

If Curley and company thought it a bad idea for Sandusky to bring kids into the showers at Penn State (they obviously were concerned about his "naughty" behavior as you put it) then a full police investigation is immediately warranted (at least notifying them is required by law), let alone finding out who the victims were. This is not just the law, it is manifestly the right thing to do too.

An additional example of cowardice and insensitivity - Paterno and company read the full jury report in March of this year ("rhythmic slapping" etc.) , and yet Sandusky was allowed into the PSU football facilities until just a few weeks ago!

all these folks need to get their ass fired...Oh, that's already been done....


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It was immediately clear to me what more Paterno should have done. Obvious to student writers on the Penn State newspaper too. Paterno should have driven Mike McQueary to the police station and made sure the police report was made and followed up on.

Also, Paterno should have done all he could (and he could do more here than anyone else involved) to find who that victim was and get help to him. But no one anywhere attempted this, all these years. That's shockingly in-humane, but not surprising - when your priorities are conceal and contain, a victim is someone you never want to deal with, must pretend he doesn't even exit.


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If it were Paterno's grandkid getting railed, you can bet "more" would have been done to protect defenseless children! And done immediately too, as is always necessary in allegations such as this.

Thus, Paterno did fulfill his minimum legal obligation to obtain plausible denial of a criminal act, worked hard not to gather any facts, and passed the buck to "superiors" who had less power than him - and when he saw the buck stopped nowhere, he turned a blind eye. In other words, Paterno singularly failed in his moral and humane obligations - obligations he always instilled in his students to follow.

Not a terrible indictment of Paterno. Yes, some have gone overboard attacking him, but I think it does properly stain his legacy some. I don't think we're far apart on that score, Marine.




True, and I in that position would probably have been as spineless as Paterno was, and just as wrong.

You don't get the benefit of hindsight concerning possible crimes like this.




Ha! Well, if people who "looked up to Paterno" during this time where made aware of the facts as it appears to us, they might feel him stained and tainted all along--like the mother of the child in the 1998 incident who has viewed these men as "monsters" since 1998.




That's according to McQuery's private testimony to his friends. McQuery's handwritten statement to the State Attorney he does not mention going to police, and the grand jury report he did not say it either. The police (city and campus), on public record admissible in court, say they were never contacted by McQuery.





Yes they took action - action so minimal it was not just immoral, but also criminally prosecutable.

They banned Sandusky from bringing Second Mile kids into the locker room. This AD Curley admitted was "unenforceable," the jurors wrote in the presentment. Banning Sandusky from the campus of Penn State, or the Football facilities, is certainly enforceable and is what should have been done, in the very least.

There is no grey area, or being lenient, in charges of sexual conduct between adults and kids.

If Curley and company thought it a bad idea for Sandusky to bring kids into the showers at Penn State (they obviously were concerned about his "naughty" behavior as you put it) then a full police investigation is immediately warranted (at least notifying them is required by law), let alone finding out who the victims were. This is not just the law, it is manifestly the right thing to do too.

An additional example of cowardice and insensitivity - Paterno and company read the full jury report in March of this year ("rhythmic slapping" etc.) , and yet Sandusky was allowed into the PSU football facilities until just a few weeks ago!

all these folks need to get their ass fired...Oh, that's already been done....


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Great post and absolutely correct.
 

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(CBS/AP) STATE COLLEGE, Pa. - Ex-Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky was arrested and jailed Wednesday on new child sex abuse charges brought by two new accusers, including one who claims Sandusky molested him numerous times in a basement bedroom, according to authorities.
 

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He won't be back out of jail ever again!
 
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