SANDUSKY....WOW

[saint]

Do you really think that the head of a college football program can be everywhere all at once? You expect him to prop his ass up on a chair and sit by shower entrance all day long to make sure nothing happens?

Come on marine, it's not that difficult.

All Paterno had to do was tell all coaches, employees, anyone affiliated with the program: If you see Sandusky anywhere on campus you report it to me immediately. He owns that town. A PSU player gets arrested and who is the first to find out? Paterno. How...I mean, it's not like he can be in every bar and every place where they can get in trouble? :mj07:

 

[JOSHNAUDI]

Do you really think that the head of a college football program can be everywhere all at once?

No

You expect him to prop his ass up on a chair and sit by shower entrance all day long to make sure nothing happens?

No

But I would hope that the head of a college football program would do all he could to keep children safe while at his facility.


I'll rephrase my question. Did Paterno try to keep Sandusky from bringing children to his facility after the incident?

 

[marine]

Are you saying Joe Paterno didn't have the power to prevent him from being on campus? From attending games? From attending camps? Sure he does!

Your exaggeration about the state of PA is kind of silly. We should take down Obama then he's commander in chief.

This is in no way the same with regards to the issues at hand, but there was not a single piece of evidence during the 2 year NCAA investigation that Butch Davis had any idea of the improper benefits or activity of Blake. But, he's captain of the ship, so he ultimately took the fall.

And to clarify, the incidents are not being pinned on Paterno. Nowhere was that said. His response is being scrutinized. There is a very significant distinction between the two.

But alas, we could go back and forth all night. There is a reason that pretty much everyone is on the same page with the exception of those with bias towards the program. If your points held any weight we would have much more resistance and negative feedback from people outside of PA. But...we are not. That's got to tell you something.

Well, in the grand jury inditement, and the legal probes going on surrounding the situation with respect to Sandusky, they have said time, and time again - Joe Paterno is not a target of the investigation.

So I ask again, if Joe is not the target of criminal wrongdoing and they have no intent of finding, or pressing any charges against him for this - why is he having his life ripped apart?


Going back to the Duke Lacrosse incident - I wasn't hinting at guilt or innocence of the accused. I was hinting at how outrageous the media was in crucifying those young men and tearing them apart for days and days. and THEN the facts came out.

 

[marine]

No



No

But I would hope that the head of a college football program would do all he could to keep children safe while at his facility.


I'll rephrase my question. Did Paterno try to keep Sandusky from bringing children to his facility after the incident?

Spanier signed off on their decision to ban Sandusky from bringing children from his charity, The Second Mile, into the Penn State football building.

The ban, Curley admitted, was unenforceable.

And in fact, Sandusky attended Second Mile football camps with kids on other Penn State campuses as recently as 2008.

 

[RollTide72]

Check out this radio interview transcript from a former PSU Grad Assistant who was on staff during the late '80s.

http://deadspin.com/5860248/

 

[JOSHNAUDI]

Spanier signed off on their decision to ban Sandusky from bringing children from his charity, The Second Mile, into the Penn State football building.

The ban, Curley admitted, was unenforceable.

And in fact, Sandusky attended Second Mile football camps with kids on other Penn State campuses as recently as 2008.

I'm looking for Paterno's role and more specifically the things that he did to prevent Sandusky from bringing children into his facilities.

You're deflecting.

Did Paterno order a code Red?

 

[marine]

I'm looking for Paterno's role and more specifically the things that he did to prevent Sandusky from bringing children into his facilities.

You're deflecting.

Did Paterno order a code Red?

Deflecting? I'm showing you that there was in fact a ban put in place on allowing him in the facilities and it was unallowable.

 

[JOSHNAUDI]

Deflecting? I'm showing you that there was in fact a ban put in place on allowing him in the facilities and it was unallowable.

Paterno, what did he do about it?

 

[hedman]

I think the MAIN FAULT is continuing to allow him to travel with the team and use PENN STATE for his football camps.

 

[marine]

Paterno, what did he do about it?

They did, however, take away Sandusky?s keys to the locker room. He?d been granted emeritus status after retiring in 1999 and had an office in the football building.

They also informed The Second Mile program, which Sandusky founded in 1977 to help disadvantaged youths. The program?s director told Sandusky not to take any more kids onto campus.

 

[Livin'tillthEnd]

Well, in the grand jury inditement, and the legal probes going on surrounding the situation with respect to Sandusky, they have said time, and time again - Joe Paterno is not a target of the investigation.

So I ask again, if Joe is not the target of criminal wrongdoing and they have no intent of finding, or pressing any charges against him for this - why is he having his life ripped apart?


Going back to the Duke Lacrosse incident - I wasn't hinting at guilt or innocence of the accused. I was hinting at how outrageous the media was in crucifying those young men and tearing them apart for days and days. and THEN the facts came out.

What were the facts stated in the Duke investigation grand jury?

Totally different, in this case that there are 23 pages documenting facts and yes Paterno knew what was going on from the facts unless McQuerry committed perjury in the grand jury.
It is naive to think a "God-like" figure like Paterno couldn't have done more. Sure, he may not go to jail and maybe legally, he shouldn't. However morally he FUCKED up.
Marine, I understand your argument, but the reason he is being fried is the fact everyone knows he was the ULTIMATE AUTHORITY at Penn St. To say he did enough legally, I get, but to have knowledge of despicable acts and not do a damn thing about it is inhumane. Thats why he is getting fried in the media.

perfect example from deadspin interview:
If he'd say that Paterno was more interested in protecting his own name and the brand of the program over doing what was right:
"There's no question, I wrote in my blog that when he had the opportunity to really demonstrate true integrity and character, he turned and protected himself. And that was his M.O. He used to turn and protect himself by turning to Rip; he was always protected. So instead of going out and helping an eight-year old kid or a ten-year old kid that was being sodomized by his key assistant, he just dropped the ball. And that's inexcusable. Inexcusable."

 

[JOSHNAUDI]

Do you really think that the head of a college football program can be everywhere all at once? You expect him to prop his ass up on a chair and sit by shower entrance all day long to make sure nothing happens?

Spanier signed off on their decision to ban Sandusky from bringing children from his charity, The Second Mile, into the Penn State football building.

The ban, Curley admitted, was unenforceable.

And in fact, Sandusky attended Second Mile football camps with kids on other Penn State campuses as recently as 2008.

Deflecting? I'm showing you that there was in fact a ban put in place on allowing him in the facilities and it was unallowable.

They did, however, take away Sandusky?s keys to the locker room. He?d been granted emeritus status after retiring in 1999 and had an office in the football building.

They also informed The Second Mile program, which Sandusky founded in 1977 to help disadvantaged youths. The program?s director told Sandusky not to take any more kids onto campus.

Lol - I've asked 4 times what did Joe do to prevent it, and in all 4 responses, you didn't even type Paterno's name.

I'm looking for Paterno's role and more specifically the things that he did to prevent Sandusky from bringing children into his facilities.

 

[marine]

Lol - I've asked 4 times what did Joe do to prevent it, and in all 4 responses, you didn't even type Paterno's name.

I'm looking for Paterno's role and more specifically the things that he did to prevent Sandusky from bringing children into his facilities.

ok. Paterno took away Sandusky's office in the building and Paterno and crew attempted to ban him from the site but it was unenforceable..

 

[marine]

What were the facts stated in the Duke investigation grand jury?

Totally different, in this case that there are 23 pages documenting facts and yes Paterno knew what was going on from the facts unless McQuerry committed perjury in the grand jury.
It is naive to think a "God-like" figure like Paterno couldn't have done more. Sure, he may not go to jail and maybe legally, he shouldn't. However morally he FUCKED up.
Marine, I understand your argument, but the reason he is being fried is the fact everyone knows he was the ULTIMATE AUTHORITY at Penn St. To say he did enough legally, I get, but to have knowledge of despicable acts and not do a damn thing about it is inhumane. Thats why he is getting fried in the media.

perfect example from deadspin interview:
If he'd say that Paterno was more interested in protecting his own name and the brand of the program over doing what was right:
"There's no question, I wrote in my blog that when he had the opportunity to really demonstrate true integrity and character, he turned and protected himself. And that was his M.O. He used to turn and protect himself by turning to Rip; he was always protected. So instead of going out and helping an eight-year old kid or a ten-year old kid that was being sodomized by his key assistant, he just dropped the ball. And that's inexcusable. Inexcusable."

SO why isn't the adoption agency that let this same incident type pass without notice back in 1995 on the hook too?

 

[Livin'tillthEnd]

SO why isn't the adoption agency that let this same incident type pass without notice back in 1995 on the hook too?

Really? Did they coach Penn St the last 61 yrs and have the same power he did? Seriously marine, I thought the whole question is why paterno was getting fried in the media?

I was responding to your initial respone...2nd post

"No where in my post do I mention Sandusky, or the nature of sexual crimes. I talked about why Joe Paterno had a long, honorable life and outstanding reputation torn down to nothing when no one really knows with certainty what his role in this was."

 

[marine]

Really? Did they coach Penn St the last 61 yrs and have the same power he did? Seriously marine, I thought the whole question is why paterno was getting fried in the media?

Exactly right. Why is Joe the one getting fried here and blamed for it all when Sandusky had these same problems completely unrelating to the football team years earlier?

Why, when Sandusky has shown a pattern of behavior like this outside of the football organization previous to this, why does the buck stop at Paterno?

 

[Livin'tillthEnd]

Exactly right. Why is Joe the one getting fried here and blamed for it all when Sandusky had these same problems completely unrelating to the football team years earlier?

Why, when Sandusky has shown a pattern of behavior like this outside of the football organization previous to this, why does the buck stop at Paterno?

he is JOE FUCKING PATERNO, the man who could do no wrong, not some adoption agency no one knows about.

 

[JOSHNAUDI]

ok. Paterno took away Sandusky's office in the building and Paterno and crew attempted to ban him from the site but it was unenforceable..

With that defense - The Public finds Paterno guilty of not doing enough to prevent Sandusky from Raping and Molesting children in the Penn St Football Showers after being made aware that, that was his Modus Operandi.

"Sorry for your lost"

Oh and Sandusky did not rape kids at the Adoption Agency, he took them from there and went somewhere safer. The Penn State football facility

 

[marine]

With that defense - The Public finds Paterno guilty of not doing enough to prevent Sandusky from Raping and Molesting children in the Penn St Football Showers after being made aware that, that was his Modus Operandi.

"Sorry for your lost"

Oh and Sandusky did not rape kids at the Adoption Agency, he took them from there and went somewhere safer. The Penn State football facility

quite the opposite. Most of the allegations involving his adopted son happened inside his own home.

 

[Livin'tillthEnd]

i thought the question and topic

i thought the question and topic

was why is Joe P getting fried in the media?

:shrug:

To me thats pretty fucking simple.