Score one for the good guys in uniform

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My question is did the guy want to die "suicide by cop?" I had a girl I worked with a long time ago and her husband intentionally pulled a gun on the cops so they would kill him. In a situation like this why not shoot him in the leg ONCE? Why couldn't the commanding officer give one specific person that order instead of how many cops filling him full of holes. I'm not in any way saying what he did was right but now they will never know why he did what he did.
 

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reading the link provided with the article,I noticed a woman posted in the comments that her vehicle was one that was hit by the "human being" that was fleeing from the po-po....luckily for her,only her vehicle was damaged but it obviously could have been much worse(she could have been injured or killed)..I didn`t read anything indicating that the guy stopped to check and see if she was injured..... I don`t think it`s a stretch to say that it`s pretty obvious that this fellow didn`t give a shit whether he killed anyone in his effort to flee the authorities...and imo,that makes him much worse than some benign b&e burglar(and btw,does anybody believe that that big knife he was looking to chop up the police dog with didn`t accompany him in his burglary activities?...I`m thinking that`s a realistic probablity)......

so given the totality of the circumstances(the bogus puppy killing strawman argument aside),I pretty much lost whatever sympathy I could have mustered for the perp.......same thing could easily happen to one of our wives,mothers,sisters,brothers,fathers or children....


Yep, the deceased criminal appears to suck overall as a dude, and the cops seem to have acted reasonably given the reported circumstances.
 

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My question is did the guy want to die "suicide by cop?" I had a girl I worked with a long time ago and her husband intentionally pulled a gun on the cops so they would kill him. In a situation like this why not shoot him in the leg ONCE? Why couldn't the commanding officer give one specific person that order instead of how many cops filling him full of holes. I'm not in any way saying what he did was right but now they will never know why he did what he did.


If it was that easy to shoot a guy in the leg, they would do it every time. The fact is, it is damned near impossible to hit your TARGET under that pressure, let alone a designated area. That's why you constantly read about 15 shots being fired, and two or three hitting the suspect.

Personally, I feel we put way too much value on human life. We are not all equal by a long shot. We allow abortion in this country as if you are changing a shirt, but we spend billions of dollars keeping murderers, rapists, and pedophiles alive.

I'm tired of it.
 

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I get what you mean abiut hitting a target. Hell I'd probably have to shoot 25 times to even come close. My mom and I always have a big argument about cleaning out the prisons. If someone is found guilty I feel they should go straight to the chair. Her argument is there is always that 1 in 100 that is innocent. Our homeless and elderly can't get a warm meal but people like the above as you stated get Healthcare. Three square meals. A roof over their heads. I think they should bring chain gangs back for the less violent offenders.
 

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If it was that easy to shoot a guy in the leg, they would do it every time. The fact is, it is damned near impossible to hit your TARGET under that pressure, let alone a designated area. That's why you constantly read about 15 shots being fired, and two or three hitting the suspect.

Personally, I feel we put way too much value on human life. We are not all equal by a long shot. We allow abortion in this country as if you are changing a shirt, but we spend billions of dollars keeping murderers, rapists, and pedophiles alive.

I'm tired of it.

:toast:
 

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If it was that easy to shoot a guy in the leg, they would do it every time. The fact is, it is damned near impossible to hit your TARGET under that pressure, let alone a designated area. That's why you constantly read about 15 shots being fired, and two or three hitting the suspect.

Personally, I feel we put way too much value on human life. We are not all equal by a long shot. We allow abortion in this country as if you are changing a shirt, but we spend billions of dollars keeping murderers, rapists, and pedophiles alive.

I'm tired of it.
Few things. This want a reaction shooting. They had fifteen or more minutes to set up a perimeter. Police train with firearms. I can shoot someone in the leg 10 out of 10 times if given fifteen minutes to dope my weapon and line up my shot. The second his left leg exited the vehicle and was placed on the ground there'd be a hole in it.

In a momentary reaction I cannot match those results but I would imagine that with more than 20 officers present someone could have thought of a better resolution.

Not only that cops are not and never have been trained to shoot in the leg, and they wouldn't anyway. I know that because I know of no incident ever where this was done.
 

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like comparing Ellicott city in Baltimore county to cherry hill or park heights.....demographics are completely different...

they have nothing that remotely compares to our inner cities....we have something like 18 times the murder rate that the u.k. has...if you removed inner cities in the u.s. from the equation,the stats would be much more balanced...
 

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If it was that easy to shoot a guy in the leg, they would do it every time. The fact is, it is damned near impossible to hit your TARGET under that pressure, let alone a designated area. That's why you constantly read about 15 shots being fired, and two or three hitting the suspect.

Personally, I feel we put way too much value on human life. We are not all equal by a long shot. We allow abortion in this country as if you are changing a shirt, but we spend billions of dollars keeping murderers, rapists, and pedophiles alive.

I'm tired of it.


EXACTLY..................:0008
 

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like comparing Ellicott city in Baltimore county to cherry hill or park heights.....demographics are completely different...

they have nothing that remotely compares to our inner cities....we have something like 18 times the murder rate that the u.k. has...if you removed inner cities in the u.s. from the equation,the stats would be much more balanced...
Are you insinuating that there are no downtrodden urban areas in the rest of the world, or even the U.K.? Are you suggesting that the human psyche and the frequency of individuals having murderous tendencies can be attributed to geography?

Why is it so difficult for so many to admit that maybe we are doing it wrong? How can it be that the penalties for violent crime are far more stringent than most all other countries in the free world, yet we still have the most occurrence of it. Not only do we have the highest murder rate by law enforcement we alai have the most number is incarcerated criminals.

Has it occurred to you, that maybe those countries that have low murder rates don't diminish the poor, don't deny them health care, food, a fair wage, affordable education. Maybe they don't burden the infirmed and disabled with outrageous medical bills and exorbitant prescription costs. Maybe they don't send the sons and daughters off to a war for oil and then abandon them when they return psychologically damaged. Maybe they don't have a distinct class system designed to keep the poor indigent and the make the rich wealthy Maybe they don't make a temporary hero or of George Zimmerman. Maybe, just maybe, our law enforcement officers kill more people than all those other countries because our entitled society makes excuses for it when they do. Maybe if an 18 year old black kid was gunned down for jaywalking the U.K. wouldn't celebrate it by showing an obscure video that may or may not have been the victim and say he had it coming.
Maybe they would have had the decency and wherewithal to make inquiries and take action to prevent another senseless killing less than thirty days later.
 

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By the way Weasie, the stats would never be more balanced. There are far more poor urban areas in a large number of countries, hell continents, than in the U.S. and the murder rates aren't even close.

The reason we lead the way in law enforcement murders is actually written in this thread.
 

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Are you insinuating that there are no downtrodden urban areas in the rest of the world, or even the U.K.? Are you suggesting that the human psyche and the frequency of individuals having murderous tendencies can be attributed to geography?

Why is it so difficult for so many to admit that maybe we are doing it wrong? How can it be that the penalties for violent crime are far more stringent than most all other countries in the free world, yet we still have the most occurrence of it. Not only do we have the highest murder rate by law enforcement we alai have the most number is incarcerated criminals.

Has it occurred to you, that maybe those countries that have low murder rates don't diminish the poor, don't deny them health care, food, a fair wage, affordable education. Maybe they don't burden the infirmed and disabled with outrageous medical bills and exorbitant prescription costs. Maybe they don't send the sons and daughters off to a war for oil and then abandon them when they return psychologically damaged. Maybe they don't have a distinct class system designed to keep the poor indigent and the make the rich wealthy Maybe they don't make a temporary hero or of George Zimmerman. Maybe, just maybe, our law enforcement officers kill more people than all those other countries because our entitled society makes excuses for it when they do. Maybe if an 18 year old black kid was gunned down for jaywalking the U.K. wouldn't celebrate it by showing an obscure video that may or may not have been the victim and say he had it coming.
Maybe they would have had the decency and wherewithal to make inquiries and take action to prevent another senseless killing less than thirty days later.

easy....you`re way too emotional,fdc...

you`re changing the focus of the discussion......we aren`t discussing reasons and socio-economic rationale.....I was just commenting that comparing the situation in the u.k. with American inner-cities(where the large majority of the violent crime occurs...stats bear this out)) is an apples and anvils argument...of course our murder/violent crime rates are much higher....large portions of our inner cities are very dangerous places....

the sheer scope of violence in our inner cities absolutely dwarfs even the worst problem areas of the u.k. (and/or Iceland,lol) ...

i don`t presume to speak for you but I`m certainly not well versed enough to speak in depth on inner-city pathology..........

it`s an unfortunate fact....
 

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easy....you`re way too emotional,fdc...

you`re changing the focus of the discussion......we aren`t discussing reasons and socio-economic rationale.....I was just commenting that comparing the situation in the u.k. with American inner-cities(where the large majority of the violent crime occurs...stats bear this out)) is an apples and anvils argument...of course our murder/violent crime rates are much higher....large portions of our inner cities are very dangerous places....

the sheer scope of violence in our inner cities absolutely dwarfs even the worst problem areas of the u.k. (and/or Iceland,lol) ...

i don`t presume to speak for you but I`m certainly not well versed enough to speak in depth on inner-city pathology..........

it`s an unfortunate fact....

I'm not emotional at all?
I'm not changing the focus whatsoever. Of course crime in the inner city is higher, that's where the most people live.

Large portions of London are very dangerous, same with Sydney, Vancouver, Dublin, Rio De Janeiro. .... I just don't think your point is valid but I'm not being emotional at all. I still dig ya brother just think your in the wrong on this one. That doesn't mean you are or that I'm right.
 

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it is because hand guns are ILLEGAL in the foreign countries

there are more guns than people in the US

case closed

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I'm not emotional at all?
I'm not changing the focus whatsoever. Of course crime in the inner city is higher, that's where the most people live.

Large portions of London are very dangerous, same with Sydney, Vancouver, Dublin, Rio De Janeiro. .... I just don't think your point is valid but I'm not being emotional at all. I still dig ya brother just think your in the wrong on this one. That doesn't mean you are or that I'm right.

I read that our murder rates have been higher for 50- 60 years....but no problem..my bad about the "emotional" comment......I was going to search out stats but I honestly don`t trust stats anymore...they`re mostly compiled and used to validate a pre-determined position(so many reasons...,race,the gun control debate yada,yada).........

nice comeback by the warriors,btw.......
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