The Lawyers Party

[Nosigar]

And the libs revert to the Bush-ness, ignoring the point of the article. Bush, the most liberal republican president in history. :SIB

I read the article and had an epiphany. It very well could be the lawyers messing things up. They (on average) are very inefficient and ineffective in any real world concern and are simply in charge with creating obstacles or interesting and later convincing others of one side of an ambiguity.

I will be forwarding this article. :0corn

 

[StevieD]

Nosigar....You love Bush. Since DTB can't answer why don't you take a shot at telling us a business he ran successfully? Any ideas big guy?:0corn

 

[Nosigar]

Nosigar....You love Bush. Since DTB can't answer why don't you take a shot at telling us a business he ran successfully? Any ideas big guy?:0corn

What does that have to do with the premise of the article? :s5:

He made dough selling the Texas Rangers. I guess he did oil business. Used daddy's money. Betcha he made more dough than you and me. And I am a businessman (so what the hell am I doing on this board).
Are you a lawyer. An ACLU lawyer? :142smilie

What a closed mind attacking one individual while you ilk is seething incompetence by the thousands. And you can criticize the Repubicrats all you want, I don't give a crap. They all suck arse, it's a career for the feeble minded and opportunistic people who have contacts and loads of cash. And all I want is for government to get smaller and tned to their main business of protecting.

I don't love Bush. He's an appeaser and "compassionate" centrist. Yet still would have to vote him in again over Gore :dizzy: Kerry, Reid ;142loser: :s8: , Pelosi, Clinton, Schumer, Murtha, Webb, Durbin, Dodds, ......... etc.

Grow up and take responsibility for yourself.

Where the hell is Eddie?:wall:

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Here I am.

Eddie

 

[Jabberwocky]

"The 55 delegates who attended the Constitutional Convention were a distinguished body of men...Thirty-five were lawyers or had benefited from legal training, though not all of them relied on the profession for a livelihood. Some had also become judges."

We all would be so much better off if Tom Delay, GW, Cheney and the boys would have written the constitution. We certainly wouldn't be hindered by all these troublesome rights.

 

[AR182]

We all would be so much better off if Tom Delay, GW, Cheney and the boys would have written the constitution. We certainly wouldn't be hindered by all these troublesome rights.

yeah but who would correct all of the gramatical errors ?....:shrug:

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

That is not an answer to the question. You called Bush a businessman now please tell us what business he ever ran that was successful?

All you have to do is run any search Stevie-
http://austin.about.com/cs/bushbiographies/a/bush_background.htm

Here's 1st I ran across

Date of Birth: July 6, 1946
That makes him a Cancer. He was 54 at the start of his term as President.

Birthplace: New Haven, Connecticut
For the geographically-challenged among us, that's way up there in the New England States.

Parents: George Herbert Walker Bush and Barbara Pierce Bush
You might remember them. He was the 41st President of the United States. And of course she was our First Lady.

Came to Texas: 1948
He was only 2 years old when his parents moved to Odessa, Texas where Daddy got into the oil business.

Siblings: 3 brothers, 2 sisters
John (Jeb), Neil, Marvin, Robin, Dorothy. Brother Jeb is currently the Governor of Florida. Sister Robin died of leukemia in 1953 at the age three.

College Education: Yale and Harvard
Daddy went to Yale too. George W. majored in history. He also played baseball and rugby while there from 1964-1968. George got a Masters in Business Administration from Harvard in 1975.
Learn more about the College Years of young George Walker Bush.

Military Service: Texas Air National Guard 1968-1973
Opponents charged that President Clinton used the National Guard to dodge "real military service." The same charge has been leveled at Bush by his naysayers.

Married: Laura Welch on November 5, 1977
It was a short engagement. They met in the summer of 1977 and married just a little over three months later.

Business: Land, oil, and gas
After working with land and mineral rights and doing a bit of investing in drilling George started his own oil and gas company around 1978. In 1983 he became the CEO of Spectrum 7, another energy company that merged with his.
Read more on his business dealings

First Taste of Politics: Campaign for U.S. Congress 1978
He won the Republican primary but was defeated in the general election.

Children: 2 daughters
Twins, Barbara and Jenna, named for their grandmothers, were born in 1981. Granddaddy was Vice-President under Ronald Reagan at the time. During Dad's time in the Governor's office the girls attended Austin Public Schools.

Current Residence: Washington DC and Crawford, Texas
Bush and family reside in the White House in Washington, DC and at their ranch in Crawford Texas. Previously they occupied the Governor's Mansion here in Austin, Texas. They've also lived in Midland, Dallas, and Washington D.C. at various times.

Sports Business: Texas Rangers
In 1984 George Bush (and others) purchased the Texas Rangers Baseball team. He was a managing general partner until 1994.
Learn more about his time with the Rangers

Hobbies: Fishing
In addition to his interests in baseball and politics, George W. Bush enjoys bass fishing.

Last Job Before Presidency: Governor of Texas
Elected in 1994 and again in 1998.

Current Job: President of United States of America
Elected in 2000.

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Would you like me to do one on Obama's family history next

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Wayne:

Your point is?

Eddie

 

[Nosigar]

"The 55 delegates who attended the Constitutional Convention were a distinguished body of men...Thirty-five were lawyers or had benefited from legal training, though not all of them relied on the profession for a livelihood. Some had also become judges."

We all would be so much better off if Tom Delay, GW, Cheney and the boys would have written the constitution. We certainly wouldn't be hindered by all these troublesome rights.

I doubt any current politician could write the Constitution nowadays without promising the government would give the people everthing they "need".... in exhange for a little bit of control.

The "lawyers" of the 1700's weren't like today's lawyers, were they? Alos, they were not politicians at the time.

Do you approve of lawyers being a majority of our political leadership?

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Nosigar:

I don't think you can say that lawyers, businessmen, doctors, or any group, per se, would be the "best" for the country. For that matter, I'll take the amish.

I do think the training lawyers receive is a benefit. Obviously it is the person and not the profession. I mean thats why I didn't hop into this thread earlier. It was so fundamentally flawed from the beginning especially when the author attempted to justify the current administration as a positive.

Regardless of the anticipated Clinton arguments (and before they come, he was disbarred) lawyers are subject to rules of professional responsibility whereas businessmen such as the current administration are not? Maybe thats why I am so appalled at what these guys are able to get away with.

Someone might also want to remind Keeko that it was the republican revolution in 1996 led by his "teacher" Gingrich and included the "plastic manufacturer Boehner" and the "exterminator" Delay (by the way he was CEO of the company) that began the polarization between the parties that continues to this day.

This post could have been written by one of Hitlers henchmen in 1930's Germany.

Eddie

 

[Jabberwocky]

Well said Ed.

As for the Bush business record, you would have to be completely ignorant or have your head up your ass not to know about the corruption and incompetence that embodies his "business" career. It has been well established in this forum, but here it just one sampling.

"Deal #1: The Oil Business: Rewarded for Losing Money
Like his dad, Junior struck out in Texas and founded an oil company, Arbusto Energy, Inc., with $20,000 of his own money. (Arbusto is the Spanish word for bush.) The company foundered in the early 1980s when oil prices dropped (and his dad was Vice President.)
The 50 investors, who were "mainly friends of my uncle" in Junior's own words, put in $4.7 million and lost most of it. Junior claims that investors "did pretty good," but Bush family friend Russell Reynolds told the Dallas Morning News: "The bottom line was there were problems, and it didn't work out very well. I think we got maybe 20 cents on the dollar."

As Arbusto neared collapse, Spectrum 7 Energy Corporation bought it in September 1984. Despite his poor track record, the owners made Bush, Jr. the president and gave him 13.6% of the parent company's stock.

Spectrum 7 was a small oil firm owned by two staunch Reagan/Bush Sr. supporters -- William DeWitt and Mercer Reynolds. These two were also owners of the Texas Rangers and allowed Bush Jr. to purchase a chunk of the team cheaply; he later sold it for over 24 times what he paid.

Within two years of purchasing Arbusto and making Bush Jr. president, Spectrum 7 was itself in trouble; it lost $400,000 in its last 6 months of operation. That ended in 1986, when Harken Energy Corporation bought Spectrum 7's 180-well operation.

Junior got $227,000 worth of Harken stock, and a lot more. He was named to the board of directors, made $80,000 to $100,000 a year well into the 1990s as a "consultant" to Harken, and was allowed to buy Harken stock at 40% below face value.

He also borrowed $180,375 from Harken at very low rates; the company's 1989 and 1990 SEC filings said it "forgave" $341,000 in loans to unspecified executives.

So what did Junior do for all this money? It's hard to say exactly, but things happened for Harken after Junior came on board:
it got a $25 million stock offering from an unusual bank with CIA ties,
it won a surprise exclusive drilling contract with Bahrain, a small Mideast country, and
an Arab member of its Board of Directors was invited to White House policy meetings with President George Bush and National Security Adviser Brent Scowcroft.


Easy Money From Odd Sources
The firm's $25 million stock offering was underwritten by Stephens, Inc., an Arkansas bank whose head, Jackson Stephens, was on President Bush's "Team 100." (That was a group of 249 rich persons who gave at least $100,000 each to his presidential campaign committee). Stephens placed the offering with the London subsidiary of Union Bank of Switzerland, which (according to the Wall Street Journal) was not known as an investor in small American companies.

Union Bank did have other connections; it was a joint-venture partner with the notorious BCCI in a Geneva-based bank, and was involved in a scandal surrounding the Nugan Hand Bank, a CIA operation in Australia whose executives were advised by William Quasha, the father of Harken's chairman (Alan Quasha.) Union Bank was also involved in scandals surrounding Panamanian money laundering by BCCI, and Ferdinand Marcos' movement of 325 tons of gold out of the Phillipines.

That wasn't the only financing connection Junior brought; after the company won its Bahrain deal (see next item), the billionaire Bass brothers of Texas offered to underwrite the drilling operation. Robert Bass is also a member of Bush's Team 100, and he and his kin gave $226,000 to Bush Senior between 1988 and 1992."

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

I'm no fan of lawyers and the BS lawsuits that get filed on a regular basis, but can someone tell me how being a lawyer is a negative in the world of politics? Taking a minute to think about it, I can't come up with a better professional background suited for a future in politics. Therefor, the premise of this post is seems rather ignorant.

 

[IntenseOperator]

Taking a minute to think about it, I can't come up with a better professional background suited for a future in politics.

no doubt

liars

 

[StevieD]

What does that have to do with the premise of the article? :s5:

He made dough selling the Texas Rangers. I guess he did oil business. Used daddy's money. Betcha he made more dough than you and me. And I am a businessman (so what the hell am I doing on this board).
Are you a lawyer. An ACLU lawyer? :142smilie

What a closed mind attacking one individual while you ilk is seething incompetence by the thousands. And you can criticize the Repubicrats all you want, I don't give a crap. They all suck arse, it's a career for the feeble minded and opportunistic people who have contacts and loads of cash. And all I want is for government to get smaller and tned to their main business of protecting.

I don't love Bush. He's an appeaser and "compassionate" centrist. Yet still would have to vote him in again over Gore :dizzy: Kerry, Reid ;142loser: :s8: , Pelosi, Clinton, Schumer, Murtha, Webb, Durbin, Dodds, ......... etc.

Grow up and take responsibility for yourself.

Where the hell is Eddie?:wall:

Obviously you are too blind to see the danger the Neocon's present to this country. You call for smaller government but you would vote for a Neocon again? Grow up. Realize that Neocons, no Democrats or Republicans are not your enemy in this America. Neocons have infested both parties. As for me taking care of myself I do. And I take care of my family. And I have the medical bills to prove it. Now, why don't you give working guys like me a break and stop abusing your "Business" tax breaks..

 

[buddy]

No amount of poilitcal elections can overcome the evil which has befallen this country. May the Lord have mercy on those who put their trust in political outcomes.

 

[AR182]

No amount of poilitcal elections can overcome the evil which has befallen this country. May the Lord have mercy on those who put their trust in political outcomes.

i find all of you guys who constantly come on this forum day after day & constantly post the same bnegative garbage cry to be sickening. the country is in a down period, it has happened before & will happen again.

i can understand some of the people posting on this forum crying because they are doomed to failure & have no hope for a prosperous future without the gov't. helping them.

but come on stevie & buddy...you have loving families & you have your health & the capability to earn more money if you choose to....but please, with respect stop your whining it's very depressing reading it day after day after day...instead count your blessings.

stay positive folks...it will get better...i guarantee it...

 

[AR182]

i find all of you guys who constantly come on this forum day after day & constantly post the same bnegative garbage cry to be sickening. the country is in a down period, it has happened before & will happen again.

i can understand some of the people posting on this forum crying because they are nothing but losers who have no hope for a prosperous future without the gov't. helping them.

but come on stevie & buddy...you have loving families & you have your health & the capability to earn more money if you choose to....but please, with respect stop your whining it's very depressing reading it day after day after day...instead count your blessings.

stay positive folks...it will get better...i guarantee it...

one more thing to go with the above post...

last week while in vegas i saw a guy at caesars playing in a poker tourney sitting in a wheelchair without any arms....he was holding his cards & putting his chips in with his toes.....if this guy had the attitude of some here, i doubt he would be a functioning person & probably would be dead...

be thankful for what you got guys..

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I'm no fan of lawyers and the BS lawsuits that get filed on a regular basis, but can someone tell me how being a lawyer is a negative in the world of politics? Taking a minute to think about it, I can't come up with a better professional background suited for a future in politics. Therefor, the premise of this post is seems rather ignorant.

My opinion Garry Lawyers are necessary and certainly have their place--but when you overwhelming majority of any profession filling the ranks of politics there is problem. When is last time a dem pres candidate was not an attorney--then consider had all been pres what supreme court would look like.
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great points AR--Life is about attitude--I've often wondered what it would be like to be confined to household of some of these pessimists 24/7.

 

[Chadman]

Yeah, all the lawyers are liars and cheats, and the big business CEOs are the ones that should be admired in this day and age. Of course many of those folks are reputable and care alot about the general public...:mj07:

I can only speak solidly about one lawyer - my wife. She is without a doubt the most honest person I've ever met, and lives a life worry-free about how she conducts her business, family, and friendships.

I get really tired of the blanket labels that are thrown around here. Most of you being critical of lawyers here probably would have a lot of answering to do about how you've conducted your lives, but what the Hell, why not rip an entire sector of people, just to try to make a point?

 

[IntenseOperator]

I can only speak solidly about one lawyer - my wife. She is without a doubt the most honest person I've ever met, and lives a life worry-free about how she conducts her business, family, and friendships.

OHH, THANK GOD FOR MRS CHADMAN ON THIS 4TH OF JULY HOLIDAY

HAIL MRS CHADMAN!!