This will get interesting

[ferdville]

Let's see - on one hand we have some unknown person(s) commenting on an internet web site.

On the other hand, we have the president of the United States speaking to the whole world on television.

Gee, is there a difference?

 

[Jabberwocky]

It's interesting that those on this thread who are mocking the President for speaking out on this before all the facts are out are the same ones who are convinced ALL fault lies with Professor Gates. You guys are doing the very same thing you're mocking the President for doing. Are you hypocrites or were you at the scene of the incident? :shrug:

That is much TOO SUBTLE a difference here Trench.

I also find it amusing that many feel somehow empowered by calling the president "Gumby" or this guy the "Nutty Professor". It makes them feel like they are in the "right". It is comical, childish, and stupid.

 

[SixFive]

It's interesting that those on this thread who are mocking the President for speaking out on this before all the facts are out are the same ones who are convinced ALL fault lies with Professor Gates. You guys are doing the very same thing you're mocking the President for doing. Are you hypocrites or were you at the scene of the incident? :shrug:

Let's see - on one hand we have some unknown person(s) commenting on an internet web site.

On the other hand, we have the president of the United States speaking to the whole world on television.

Gee, is there a difference?

couldn't havesaid it better, ferdville.

 

[Trench]

Let's see - on one hand we have some unknown person(s) commenting on an internet web site.

On the other hand, we have the president of the United States speaking to the whole world on television.

Gee, is there a difference?

I've already stated that I believe it was wrong for the President to rush to judgement on this Ferdville. But how does that negate the hypocrisy of those who accuse the President of wrong-doing, who then do the very same thing on an Internet forum? :shrug:

 

[ferdville]

Because outside of my wife and a few other idiots (not her, well maybe) nobody gives a rat's ass about my opinion. It carries no weight beyond those few that may believe if iI say it, it must be true.

BO, whether he likes it or not, carries a great deal of weight whenever he speaks and whatever he speaks. I wish my comments could be looked upon with the same credibility and power that BO's comments are. But it isn't so just because you may think we are on par.

I can't even get my rants on local tv much less a world wide audience! Maybe that's a good thing.

 

[kegray1]

Here is my issues with Gates:
1. The police were called by a citizen to investigate a possible breakin so they were simply coming to help him and not harrass him.
2. Gates claims his home had already had attempted breakin so why would he be angry at police showing up at his home to possibly stop a breakin.
3. If Gates is not confrontational to begin with would this have escalated because police didn't go to house looking for this trouble.

Black or white, you should cooperate with police especially if you did nothing wrong.
I think this guy ecalated it for the simple fact he was black and felt like the police assumed he was an intruder. He then stepped out of character and became a guy that came off as a guy play the race card.
Gates felt like he was being profiled and it set him off. Right or wrong, Gates is the one who could have avoided this.

 

[hedgehog]

I wonder if the guy with Gates was his gay lover:shrug:

Gates was trying to hide something:00x32

again, Obama and Gates are the racists, the cop was not racial profiling no doubt

 

[shawn555]

I wonder if the guy with Gates was his gay lover:shrug:

Gates was trying to hide something:00x32

again, Obama and Gates are the racists, the cop was not racial profiling no doubt

Who cares if was his gay lover?

You are a disgrace to mankind.

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

:00x32

Take your time. Its always hardest the first time.

 

[Trench]

Here is my issues with Gates:
1. The police were called by a citizen to investigate a possible breakin so they were simply coming to help him and not harrass him.
2. Gates claims his home had already had attempted breakin so why would he be angry at police showing up at his home to possibly stop a breakin.
3. If Gates is not confrontational to begin with would this have escalated because police didn't go to house looking for this trouble.

Black or white, you should cooperate with police especially if you did nothing wrong.
I think this guy ecalated it for the simple fact he was black and felt like the police assumed he was an intruder. He then stepped out of character and became a guy that came off as a guy play the race card.
Gates felt like he was being profiled and it set him off. Right or wrong, Gates is the one who could have avoided this.

That makes sense and seems logical. But you could just as easily create a scenario where Sgt. Crowley escalated the questioning to a confrontation rather than Prof. Gates. My guess is both Prof. Gates and Sgt. Crowley exercised poor judgment in the heat of the moment and turned what should have been a routine exchange into an incident. I don?t think we?ll know for sure unless the audio tape of the incident is released or leaked to the public.

 

[kegray1]

That makes sense and seems logical. But you could just as easily create a scenario where Sgt. Crowley escalated the questioning to a confrontation rather than Prof. Gates. My guess is both Prof. Gates and Sgt. Crowley exercised poor judgment in the heat of the moment and turned what should have been a routine exchange into an incident. I don?t think we?ll know for sure unless the audio tape of the incident is released or leaked to the public.

I agree with you but it just seems if the officer escalated the situation then it was because Gates refused to show ID leaving the situation still unresolved. He was not going to just take him for his word that he lived there, but Crowley used poor judgment in handling once he realized this guy was unarmed and more than likely standing in his home.

I am curious to now if Gates is more mad because he is a Harvard professor accused of being a criminal or a black man accused of being a criminal.
Most Harvard professors black or white probably wouldn't like being type cast as a criminal. I am sure that had as much to do with it as the race card did.

 

[Trench]

I agree with you but it just seems if the officer escalated the situation then it was because Gates refused to show ID leaving the situation still unresolved. He was not going to just take him for his word that he lived there, but Crowley used poor judgment in handling once he realized this guy was unarmed and more than likely standing in his home.

I am curious to now if Gates is more mad because he is a Harvard professor accused of being a criminal or a black man accused of being a criminal.
Most Harvard professors black or white probably wouldn't like being type cast as a criminal. I am sure that had as much to do with it as the race card did.

Yeah, I agree that the most likely scenario is that Prof. Gates became defensive about being questioned in his own home, which Sgt. Crowley interpreted as being uncooperative and it escalated from there. I think both men could have handled it better. I hope someone leaks the audio tape so we can get a definitive answer.

 

[Jabberwocky]

a useless idiotic thread.

 

[Lumi]

Being a Harvard Prof doesn't elevate your status in the world, there is a Black US Congressman who has been on the no fly list for 5+ years ! He plays the game, jumps thru the hoops with TSA (complete idiots) and then he boards his plane.

What if he was a High School math teacher?
Gates tried to pull 2 Aces out of his back pocket, and the cop didn't give a rat's ass. Most cops don't, unless they are 150% sure that it's a hands off situation. The "Do you know who I am?" crap just antagonizes law enforcement. "Why, didn't your momma tell you who your daddy is?" Is ususally a good response.

It all goes back to compliance, don't back don't to law enforcement, but don't be a dick to the police either. He was their for a B & E call, if Gates lauged at himself for being a dumbass, gave Crowley ID, offered a drink, and gained an ally for later use, it would have been the more prudent approach. I can read people in 5 mins, which is why I would have taken that tactic to find out the psyche of the cop.

Obama is calling a "Beer Bust" :toast: to try and polish this turd and I have negative feelings about this, but I hope he throws water on the fire instead of gas. Good thing Skulnuts and Hedgeflog are going to be there. :142smilie

 

[kegray1]

It seems to me that most(not all) cops seem to have a bit of a authority ego complex whether they are black or white, male or female.
I know plenty of cops and all are good people, but when put into action the authority complex can over power a out of uniform common sense.
This just seems to be a way of life no matter the race or sex on the other side of it.

 

[Lumi]

When being "Mirandized" By a female cop,

"Anything you say can and will be held against you"

Response: BREASTS

 

[Trench]

The Cambridge PD "Cooler"

The Cambridge PD "Cooler"

"I'll take it from here Sgt. Crowley.
If I can't diffuse this situation...
no one can."

 

[Lumi]

 

[kegray1]

"I'll take it from here Sgt. Crowley.
If I can't diffuse this situation...
no one can."

To protect and to serve.

I can promise you that she has served before.

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

a useless idiotic thread.

This thread is a lot less idiotic now!