I, like most, think USC is PLENTY good. We're just bustin Scotty's balls real hard till he takes off those homer glasses. This goes WAY beyond this one thread, believe me...
Why OSU does not deserve to be #2
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I'll tell you who may have the 2nd best team in the country
this time of year and you'll see what I mean Saturday, but
they don't stand a chance of getting in the big game unless
OU gets knocked off.....Michigan
this time of year and you'll see what I mean Saturday, but
they don't stand a chance of getting in the big game unless
OU gets knocked off.....Michigan
mjalam said:
You know, it may be a sad world for teams like USC, but they knew this coming in as this is how the BCS works: you have to beat your opponents and hope your oppponents play well against their opponents. Just take a look back at what USC accomplished this year: they beat Auburn which doesn't look all that great now, they beat BYU and Hawaii which are both having down years, they lose at Cal which is the second best team they have played so far, they beat Arizona State, Stanford, Notre Dame which all of the top 10 BCS teams should, they whip the Washington schools and finally beat a solid opponent in WSU, then they crush my great school which the top 40 teams should be able to do without a problem.
Besides WSU, who has USC really beaten to make them the legitimate contender? LSU and Ohio State have beaten much better teams (remember, winning is all that matters). Is it USC's fault? No, of course not. . . but everyone knows what to expect coming in. . . you have to beat solid teams and USC has beaten one team that I would consider solid followed by a couple good teams. Who besides TCU in the top 8 haven't? We have seen how margin of victory can be deceiving with how OSU won last year. Let it be a lesson. . . the right team will play Oklahoma and get wasted! And it probably won't be USC as long as LSU or Ohio State wins their remaining games.
If anyone here had a vote in the polls, would any of you honestly put USC at #5 like the New York Times did? Isn't that the big reason that OSU jumped them?:shrug:
mjalam
Nice post and I agree with you.
Nickelback
The argument is that USC is the 2nd best team in the nation. Great teams destroy bad teams. OSU has struggled with bad/average/good teams all year. NO way would i say that is the 2nd best team in the nation. BCS will put OSU in NC game, fine. But my argument is they are not the 2nd best team in the nation. Last year OSU was not the best team in the nation either. YES i am 100% think they earned the NC but that does not mean they were the best team in the nation. Often the best teams don't always win. Lastly, USC would not get wasted by OU. Obviously you have not seen USC play this year.
FIGHT ON!!!!!!!
Nice post and I agree with you.
Nickelback
The argument is that USC is the 2nd best team in the nation. Great teams destroy bad teams. OSU has struggled with bad/average/good teams all year. NO way would i say that is the 2nd best team in the nation. BCS will put OSU in NC game, fine. But my argument is they are not the 2nd best team in the nation. Last year OSU was not the best team in the nation either. YES i am 100% think they earned the NC but that does not mean they were the best team in the nation. Often the best teams don't always win. Lastly, USC would not get wasted by OU. Obviously you have not seen USC play this year.
FIGHT ON!!!!!!!
Cal is scary? Jesus they have 5 freaking losses. If that is scary then what the hell is a one loss or undefeated team?
No Scott, Great teams destroy GOOD teams. . . bad teams shouldn't count as the result is obvious from the beginning (basically why the BCS doesn't count margin of victory. . . one of the few things I like about the system). OU has destroyed good teams. . .
Look, I think you may be getting me all wrong. . . I wouldn't mind seeing a Pac 10 team play for all the marbles. . . it would certainly help out our conference this year. Of course I have seen USC play. . . I live in Arizona so basically forced to see them! LOL. . . they are a damn good team. If you ask me if they would beat Ohio State, I would say definitely. But who really knows until they play!
The problem with looking at final results of games (which some Ohio State fans have been saying all along and I SOMEWHAT agree with but not entirely) is offensive performances completely overshadow defensive performances. Bascially a 44 to 17 win looks better than a 17 to 3 win even though statistically by the numbers, the team that won by only 14 may have outplayed their opponent more so than the team scoring 44 points.
If USC plays OU, then fine, I'll root for them hard! But I think their better competition and the better game would be against Michigan. I know that's not what you want to hear and you think USC would kill Michigan probably but Oklahoma is in a class by themself this year.
Look, I think you may be getting me all wrong. . . I wouldn't mind seeing a Pac 10 team play for all the marbles. . . it would certainly help out our conference this year. Of course I have seen USC play. . . I live in Arizona so basically forced to see them! LOL. . . they are a damn good team. If you ask me if they would beat Ohio State, I would say definitely. But who really knows until they play!
The problem with looking at final results of games (which some Ohio State fans have been saying all along and I SOMEWHAT agree with but not entirely) is offensive performances completely overshadow defensive performances. Bascially a 44 to 17 win looks better than a 17 to 3 win even though statistically by the numbers, the team that won by only 14 may have outplayed their opponent more so than the team scoring 44 points.
If USC plays OU, then fine, I'll root for them hard! But I think their better competition and the better game would be against Michigan. I know that's not what you want to hear and you think USC would kill Michigan probably but Oklahoma is in a class by themself this year.
larry coker is an idiot. his gameplan was all wrong against osu last year. osu outplayed miami the entire game. but i still think coker wasted his talent advantage he had. no disrespect intended to mike doss and gamble. osu was as strong up the middle on def as any team last year. in my opinion miami tried to run up the middle/off tackle for 3 qu. in the 4th they changed gears and lost the game in ot. the miami program is a victim of its own arrogance. having said that, if osu beats mich this week than they are still #1 unless they lose. jmo.
ya know some of these big 10 teams have been losing to some dillies also.
Michigan State loses at home to La Tech.
Wisky loses at home to UNLV.
Michigan loses to Oregon and had only 3 yards rushing on 19 carries in that game. YES I SAID " 3 YARDS ".
Indiana and Illinois flat out suck. Penn State and Northwestern are not far behind them.. Iowa and Purdue--really nice teams. Minnesota on any give day can be dangerous. They had Michigan on the ropes but let that one slip away.
okay, i'll agree the Big 10 is stronger, but c'mmon , The Bowl Committee is full of Chit .
with that said:
I think i'll take Ohio State anyway with the points this weekend even though I think they are operating on fumes.
They have a way of winning ugly.
Good luck all:
Michigan State loses at home to La Tech.
Wisky loses at home to UNLV.
Michigan loses to Oregon and had only 3 yards rushing on 19 carries in that game. YES I SAID " 3 YARDS ".
Indiana and Illinois flat out suck. Penn State and Northwestern are not far behind them.. Iowa and Purdue--really nice teams. Minnesota on any give day can be dangerous. They had Michigan on the ropes but let that one slip away.
okay, i'll agree the Big 10 is stronger, but c'mmon , The Bowl Committee is full of Chit .
with that said:
I think i'll take Ohio State anyway with the points this weekend even though I think they are operating on fumes.
They have a way of winning ugly.
Good luck all:
chris gamble is EASILY the most overrated player to come through the ohio state program in a long long time.
he is completely overrated as a cover corner. he gets turned around way too often and bites on too many double moves. unlike the winfields and the springs that have come through the program, he cant truly lock anyone down
hes not a reliable punt returner either.
just had to add that in. annoys me to no end when people jock him as a two-way star. he couldnt hold a candle to his predecessors in the program
he is completely overrated as a cover corner. he gets turned around way too often and bites on too many double moves. unlike the winfields and the springs that have come through the program, he cant truly lock anyone down
hes not a reliable punt returner either.
just had to add that in. annoys me to no end when people jock him as a two-way star. he couldnt hold a candle to his predecessors in the program
gman, i have only seen gamble a few times maybe he isn't that good.:shrug: all i know is that my guy, charles woodson, is argued as being overrated almost every week. honestly have not seen a lot of osu games. however, they do keep winning and they don't give up many points. maybe gamble is poor, but why doesn't he get beat more ? does the scheme hide his weaknesses ? and how bad will he be in the pros ?
Line today if ...
Line today if ...
USC plays OHIO ST
@ neutral site?
usc -7.5?
love to see what U guys think ...
gl, gregg
Line today if ...
USC plays OHIO ST
@ neutral site?
usc -7.5?
love to see what U guys think ...
gl, gregg
elvis:
a lot of the gamble hype imo is because the media just assume that he's the next in line to become a great ohio state cornerback. if they bothered to look objectively, theyd see he was single-handedly responsible for the wisconsin loss. i know it sounds harsh, but its the truth. he fumbles a punt that leads to wisconsin points, and then after osu ties it late at 10, lee evans absolutely abused him on an out and up to lose the game, going --as we know -- about 75 yds or whatever for a touchdown. basically what im saying is that because osu had springs, winfield, plummer, and doss before him -- the media just assume that "he must be good, so we might as well hype him like the rest". the thing is , he isnt even in their class.
bucks defense is outstanding on the defensive line and their young linebackers are only going to get better. tressel loaded that defensive line and linebacker spot with blue chip recruits. you can beat osu through the passing game imo. you have no chance trying to run the ball on em.
re: woodson. i dont buy that hes overrated. ive always thought hes an excellent cover corner. his problem is that he is one of the worst tacklers ive ever seen. i know that tackling has become a ubiquitious problem among college and nfl corners, but woodsons always been the poster boy for that, and it brings down his game. i still dont buy it when people say hes overrated. but thats just me
pt1gard: my guess would be usc -6 on a neutral field.
a lot of the gamble hype imo is because the media just assume that he's the next in line to become a great ohio state cornerback. if they bothered to look objectively, theyd see he was single-handedly responsible for the wisconsin loss. i know it sounds harsh, but its the truth. he fumbles a punt that leads to wisconsin points, and then after osu ties it late at 10, lee evans absolutely abused him on an out and up to lose the game, going --as we know -- about 75 yds or whatever for a touchdown. basically what im saying is that because osu had springs, winfield, plummer, and doss before him -- the media just assume that "he must be good, so we might as well hype him like the rest". the thing is , he isnt even in their class.
bucks defense is outstanding on the defensive line and their young linebackers are only going to get better. tressel loaded that defensive line and linebacker spot with blue chip recruits. you can beat osu through the passing game imo. you have no chance trying to run the ball on em.
re: woodson. i dont buy that hes overrated. ive always thought hes an excellent cover corner. his problem is that he is one of the worst tacklers ive ever seen. i know that tackling has become a ubiquitious problem among college and nfl corners, but woodsons always been the poster boy for that, and it brings down his game. i still dont buy it when people say hes overrated. but thats just me
pt1gard: my guess would be usc -6 on a neutral field.
Nickelback
Ohio St. does not dominate games and often wins by luck on their side. OSU wins ugly, they do not dominate. DOn't believe me? Re-read my original post. OSU had no business being so close against those crappy teams. ON TOP OF THAT< THEY WERE ALL AT HOME! lol. OSU is good team, not a great team. Def. not the #2 team in the country.
USC vs Michigan would be an awesome Rose Bowl. If I had my choice, i would rather have that game, then the winner of that game face OU a week later for the NC.That is actually what Pete Carroll wants. He wants traditional bowl games, then add another game to decide NC. OU vs LSU, USC vs (OSU or MICHIGAN)
USC -7.5 over OSU? ummm, i would buy the 1/2 pt and bet at least $1000 on it. MAYBE even just bet USC ML and give up the huge vig. I would have to study matchups first. As of now, i think USC would win 31-10.
Has Ohio St. faced a team like USC offensively? The answer is NO and not even close. So how good is that Ohio St. defense? Very good but I think mainly because they play in the Big 10. USC defense is awesome against the run, so that is not good news for OSU. If OSU defense is not as good as advertise, and USC does not turn ball over 5 times (Miami), USC might win 44-10. I just do not have any respect for OSU being an elite team. Beating Michigan this week by double digits would be a good start. Last year i was not impressed with OSU and I am not impressed this year either.
FIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!
Ohio St. does not dominate games and often wins by luck on their side. OSU wins ugly, they do not dominate. DOn't believe me? Re-read my original post. OSU had no business being so close against those crappy teams. ON TOP OF THAT< THEY WERE ALL AT HOME! lol. OSU is good team, not a great team. Def. not the #2 team in the country.
USC vs Michigan would be an awesome Rose Bowl. If I had my choice, i would rather have that game, then the winner of that game face OU a week later for the NC.That is actually what Pete Carroll wants. He wants traditional bowl games, then add another game to decide NC. OU vs LSU, USC vs (OSU or MICHIGAN)
USC -7.5 over OSU? ummm, i would buy the 1/2 pt and bet at least $1000 on it. MAYBE even just bet USC ML and give up the huge vig. I would have to study matchups first. As of now, i think USC would win 31-10.
Has Ohio St. faced a team like USC offensively? The answer is NO and not even close. So how good is that Ohio St. defense? Very good but I think mainly because they play in the Big 10. USC defense is awesome against the run, so that is not good news for OSU. If OSU defense is not as good as advertise, and USC does not turn ball over 5 times (Miami), USC might win 44-10. I just do not have any respect for OSU being an elite team. Beating Michigan this week by double digits would be a good start. Last year i was not impressed with OSU and I am not impressed this year either.
FIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!
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scott:
i am as anti-buckeye as anyone youll find, but a far better miami team couldnt blow out ohio state last year. usc would win the game but you dont just drop 34 points on that defense. it just doesnt happen.
i am as anti-buckeye as anyone youll find, but a far better miami team couldnt blow out ohio state last year. usc would win the game but you dont just drop 34 points on that defense. it just doesnt happen.
gman2
USC is not coached by Coker.
USC is more disciplined, 1 fumble all year by RB's and Lienart zero INT's in last 5 games i think. USC should not turn it over 5 times.
USC is far more talented than OSU, especially at skilled positions.
OSU is not intimidating at all, and USC will not give them gifts on the goal line and miss chip shot field goals. (well maybe field goals cuz USC kicker CHOKES!)
FIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!
USC is not coached by Coker.
USC is more disciplined, 1 fumble all year by RB's and Lienart zero INT's in last 5 games i think. USC should not turn it over 5 times.
USC is far more talented than OSU, especially at skilled positions.
OSU is not intimidating at all, and USC will not give them gifts on the goal line and miss chip shot field goals. (well maybe field goals cuz USC kicker CHOKES!)
FIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!
scott:
usc has better talent on offense.
but osu defense is as good as their defense has ever been. there are blue-chip kids everywhere on that defense.
my point is that -- while usc is definitely superior and would probably win the game -- it wouldnt be a blowout. you dont blowout a defense as good as ohio state's.
its amazing how all the sudden coker is a bum. heck, before that virginia tech loss, didnt miami lose once in like 25 games? now all the sudden they struggle a little and hes a bum? what have you dont for me lately i guess. not a big coker guy, but hes won football games.
its preposterous to say usc is far more talented than ohio state. actually its flat out stupid. ohio states problem isnt talent. theyve got lots of it. the thing is, its almost all on defense. no playmakers on offense this yr except drew carter and hes done for the year.
usc has better talent on offense.
but osu defense is as good as their defense has ever been. there are blue-chip kids everywhere on that defense.
my point is that -- while usc is definitely superior and would probably win the game -- it wouldnt be a blowout. you dont blowout a defense as good as ohio state's.
its amazing how all the sudden coker is a bum. heck, before that virginia tech loss, didnt miami lose once in like 25 games? now all the sudden they struggle a little and hes a bum? what have you dont for me lately i guess. not a big coker guy, but hes won football games.
its preposterous to say usc is far more talented than ohio state. actually its flat out stupid. ohio states problem isnt talent. theyve got lots of it. the thing is, its almost all on defense. no playmakers on offense this yr except drew carter and hes done for the year.
I'm just trying to figure out when Michigan got so good all of a sudden. IMO they havent beaten one good team all year and they lost to one shit team and one decent team and should have lost when Minnesota ran all over them.
I hate Ohio St. but I think if they win out they should be able to defend their championship. I think USC should be 4th behind LSU. USC has one good win this season and that is against the most overrated top 10 team of all time Washington St. Scott you made fun of OSU playing Bowling Green and NC State in their non conference schedule. Well those 2 teams would beat 9 of the 10 teams in the Pac 10.
I hate Ohio St. but I think if they win out they should be able to defend their championship. I think USC should be 4th behind LSU. USC has one good win this season and that is against the most overrated top 10 team of all time Washington St. Scott you made fun of OSU playing Bowling Green and NC State in their non conference schedule. Well those 2 teams would beat 9 of the 10 teams in the Pac 10.
gmoney:
ive always felt michigan is one of the top 4 teams in the country. i think they could beat anyone in the country except for oklahoma. if osu beats michigan, they deserve to go to the title game. i dont think it will happen, so it might all be moot. but i hold this michigan team in high regard. thats just me. lots of talent on that team capable of matching up with anyone. when michigan balances their run with pass, theyre as good as anyone
ive always felt michigan is one of the top 4 teams in the country. i think they could beat anyone in the country except for oklahoma. if osu beats michigan, they deserve to go to the title game. i dont think it will happen, so it might all be moot. but i hold this michigan team in high regard. thats just me. lots of talent on that team capable of matching up with anyone. when michigan balances their run with pass, theyre as good as anyone
