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What if Jesus showed up, and he was actually Arab, as you might expect a person of the area he came from to look like, and not the California surfer dude of the 60's we have all come to know and love?

How about if Odin or Zeus would show up ?

how much proof believer (or atheist) needs to change his religion to another ?

why religion is inherited habit ? more like social reasons and social
pressure than actually reasoning god ?


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This is almost impossible to answer because it is so hypothetical. For instance, what would you do if Jesus visited you and contradicted a handful of the rules you had been following all this time, basically saying things like "nope, gay marriage is cool"
Would you completely change your viewpoint?

As for my answer, if Jesus, as presented in the bible approached me and said ""I am the way, the truth and the life" I would ask for clarification. However, I need more than a vague 9 word phrase to really understand. So assuming he was willing to engage in a detailed conversation about the human experience and exactly what he expects of us, then I might be on board.
Faith in God is something I could muster, under the right circumstances. It's faith in 2000 year of human history that I have a problem with.
I'm sure he would understand.

Point taken. Thanks for your reply.

To a non-believer, I can understand how those nine words would be vague, even foolish. However, to a believer and follower of Christ, those nine words have very deep and profound meaning. The difference being the leap of faith.

"Oh, the mystery of Christ and the wonder of His glorious power."
 

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Who do you pray to on Sunday afternoon when you need that FG kicker to miss a chip shot? :)

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Give it a try! I can promise you right now.........You will get the same results!

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Wrong!

But hey. I can not prove it with science so its not so. Its so much easier to not believe.

GL
 

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Wrong!

But hey. I can not prove it with science so its not so. Its so much easier to not believe.

GL



Have you ever tried praying to something other than a god? Give it a shot! I think you'd be amazed how eerily similar the results are!
 

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Deuteronomy 32:39 ~ "See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill , and I make alive ; I wound , and I heal : neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand."


Galatians 6:7 ~ "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap."
 

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One thing I have found very interesting about the Christian viewpoint is how they interpret the results of any given situation. Take for example, a child with a terminal disease. If the child survives it was a miracle. If the child dies, it was God's will. You can't argue with this approach. They have an answer for any outcome.

The realistic approach, in my view, would be that if the child survives you could say that it was the skill of the surgeon or some other explanation other than a mystical one. If the child dies, then, the child dies. Disease can be devastating and we all will die one day.

I don't understand this reliance on mystical divine intervention. No proof or data support these beliefs.

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One thing I have found very interesting about the Christian viewpoint is how they interpret the results of any given situation. Take for example, a child with a terminal disease. If the child survives it was a miracle. If the child dies, it was God's will. You can't argue with this approach. They have an answer for any outcome.

The realistic approach, in my view, would be that if the child survives you could say that it was the skill of the surgeon or some other explanation other than a mystical one. If the child dies, then, the child dies. Disease can be devastating and we all will die one day.

I don't understand this reliance on mystical divine intervention. No proof or data support these beliefs.

Eddie




This.

So true, so so so true.
 

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One thing I have found very interesting about the Christian viewpoint is how they interpret the results of any given situation. Take for example, a child with a terminal disease. If the child survives it was a miracle. If the child dies, it was God's will. You can't argue with this approach. They have an answer for any outcome.

The realistic approach, in my view, would be that if the child survives you could say that it was the skill of the surgeon or some other explanation other than a mystical one. If the child dies, then, the child dies. Disease can be devastating and we all will die one day.

I don't understand this reliance on mystical divine intervention. No proof or data support these beliefs.

Eddie

Not all those who follow Christ respond the same way. I don't think it's fair to lump all Christians into some biased category. Granted, some of us are obnoxious at times, including yours truly. But, I know many others who are mature, dignified and have a quiet deportment.

It's easy to just read the large print.
 

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One thing I have found very interesting about the Christian viewpoint is how they interpret the results of any given situation. Take for example, a child with a terminal disease. If the child survives it was a miracle. If the child dies, it was God's will. You can't argue with this approach. They have an answer for any outcome. The realistic approach, in my view, would be that if the child survives you could say that it was the skill of the surgeon or some other explanation other than a mystical one. If the child dies, then, the child dies. Disease can be devastating and we all will die one day. I don't understand this reliance on mystical divine intervention. No proof or data support these beliefs. Eddie

How about this? two nitwit parents will not let child have transfusion d/t religion. Child dies! Thankfully now medical teams can go to court and get court orders to care for child to save lives instead of letting "gods will " decide. How's that for science.
 

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Wrong! But hey. I can not prove it with science so its not so. Its so much easier to not believe. GL

Exactly you can't! Living things do not die and arise 3 days later, people can't part a sea, people can't walk on water, can't turn water into wine
Magically. Those are all proven and it's hard do imagine why people would believe otherwise
 

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How about this? two nitwit parents will not let child have transfusion d/t religion. Child dies! Thankfully now medical teams can go to court and get court orders to care for child to save lives instead of letting "gods will " decide. How's that for science.



That is ok when you are an adult and you are dumb enough to let some mystical being decide if you die or not. But it is disgusting to let a 6 month old baby slowly die when all the baby needs is medicine to live.
 

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You guys are nicer than that.... I am happy that this thread lasted as long as it did however. I hope the best for you all. You are a great bunch.
I don't think I was trying to be mean? Children have died because of what religious parents have chosen for their child, to me especially being a nurse believe that to be crazy and criminal when a treatment can save a child's life. Thankfully the courts have changed all that. And if someone wants to say they can't prove it because they can't scientifically in a sarcastic tone then I will agree. I will take what I know and have learned in my life over written literature that is as believe able as Rudolph. Look at the lengths of stories told by people over years and years such as Santa and Reindeer delivering toys to to every child, they couldn't even stop with that, they even had to add one reindeer was picked on until the day his nose Glowed to guide through a foggy night. People back in the day were ignorant and would believe anything they were told. When the plague Wiped out half the people they either believed or were told that it was the Gods, they even sacrificed people as an offering to God to stop the sickness, people were just ignorant and followed to the slaughter. So when you weigh common sense with your own life and and what you have learned using science or life experience then what we have been told and force fed as children doesn't make any sense. So I say if you can't prove it then don't tell me it's true. Again I ask, would you believe in this stuff had you not been taught this as a child? What of you were 40 years old hearing about God and religion for the first time?
 

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Having been born and raised in the Cult of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (mormonism)? the only way to describe my thoughts on the subject are? that the older and wiser I get, the more I use common sense, and common sense tells me that there is no invisible man living in the sky (as George Carlin put it.) It's a nice feeling to believe there is a way to see loved ones again after death..but also, it has the power to alter one's life quality? why push yourself, why live life to the fullest if you get to live in heaven with your family and friends after this life?? The way I see it, is there truly is NO way to absolutely know what the story is, which is why it's a good idea to live life to the fullest TODAY (not in the cliche "let's go sky diving" kind of way, but the.. "spend your time and energy doing the things you love, WITH the people you love, and actually considering each day we wake up alive and breathing is another day to enjoy something you might never have a chance to do again" kind of way?

In the name of jesus christ, amen
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