OK, now you're not even attempting to carry on a serious debate. That's fine. I've got better things to do anyway. :sadwave:
Scott Walker new Gov of Wisconsin
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I'd be willing to bet that the folks that are taking the liberal side on this board, at a % higher than the national average of 47%, paid no federal income tax in the last tax year......
They just said, MPS teachers have a comp package that exceeds $100K a year, on AVERAGE. For a 9 month job. Amazing. No wonder this bill is so important.
$100K for 9 months is the same as $133K for a full time job. WOW!
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By the way, this is the best thing that could happen to these kids. This is how you take a stand when someone is trying to take advantage of you. You can't get this in a classroom.
Lots of stuff in this thread since I last read it.
Mags.. You said many of the teachers you know are for the bill? I know many teachers up here who are strongly against it. I don't know of one for it and I know many teachers.
You say that the Dems are being crybabies because the people of the state of Wisconsin have mad their choice,. I can give you that.. So what do you call the republicans actions after Obama was elected? Didn't the people of the nation speak? What do you think of all the filibustering? Wasn't Obamacare what the peole voted for??
Seems like a double standard to me.
Mags.. You said many of the teachers you know are for the bill? I know many teachers up here who are strongly against it. I don't know of one for it and I know many teachers.
You say that the Dems are being crybabies because the people of the state of Wisconsin have mad their choice,. I can give you that.. So what do you call the republicans actions after Obama was elected? Didn't the people of the nation speak? What do you think of all the filibustering? Wasn't Obamacare what the peole voted for??
Seems like a double standard to me.
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I was just about to post that. mags is pretty good at twisting things when it benefits the point he is trying to make and otherwise ignoring it.
Is it really that hard to fathom why a person might take a day off of work to protest a change that will affect the rest of their life?
There is no way you can be that obtuse.
To a person, I beilieve everyone of them knows their actions will change nothing. But, they didn't sit on their asses, and let this punk roll over them with his blindside tactics, and that is the point they wanted to drive home.
Anyone of you sitting around out there who would willingly accept what this "leader" is doing to all of these employees, is a liar.
I'll be so goddamned happy when 90% of this nation is making $10 an hour, you won't be able to sandblast the fucking smile off of my face.
There is no way you can be that obtuse.
To a person, I beilieve everyone of them knows their actions will change nothing. But, they didn't sit on their asses, and let this punk roll over them with his blindside tactics, and that is the point they wanted to drive home.
Anyone of you sitting around out there who would willingly accept what this "leader" is doing to all of these employees, is a liar.
I'll be so goddamned happy when 90% of this nation is making $10 an hour, you won't be able to sandblast the fucking smile off of my face.
His thinking just makes ya want to smash his face in. U never hear this scumbag say antything about where real money is being wasted (interest of this war debt for one that guys like this asshole created) but when it comes to unions this dickhead seems like he gets a hardon salivating that these people lose everything. Just a true piece of shit. Id love for someone to touch his salary and im sure he would be just fine with it.
Duff the one good thing to come out of this is it might gets some of these lazy Democrats off their fat asses and vote. I wonder how many of these protestors actually voted. I bet if the vote was now u will find 100 percent of them come out and vote. I have to believe that Maggot was a scab in his day and while croissing a picket line someone smashed his face in. Now he carries this grudge. Then again it could simply be Fox News and nitwit neo-con radio who prey on ass-holes like this cause they don't know any better.
Wake up BP, you know how this FRAUD got elected.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI
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There is a big difference between filabustering - which is a time honored tradition in the Senate, and deleriliction of duty and walking out.
This has been commented on many times - I have yet to see ANY support for what the Dem Senators have done. Most have made the exact same comparison, and come up with the conclusion I listed here. Most have indicated it was wrong.
Fact is, the Dem Senator's actions have really hurt the unions and teachers. It isn't gonna change Walker's mind, and it has hurt the reputation of teachers in our state greatly in many people's minds. Of course, those same senators are being laughed at. And we all know they will have to come back sooner or later - and given the high support the bill has in the state amongst the OVERALL population, I'm guessing these Dem's will have a very tough re-election fight for their actions.
And they haven't changed a thing. Bill is going through either way.
Duffy - come by, any time. Would LOVE to meet you.... it may not be as much fun as you hoped...
Meet me in France! :00hour
Hey, YYZ, I do feel your pain. It sucks when a political party on a mission passes laws/regulations that cut your pay significantly. This happened to be with Obamacare and the Dem agenda. I wasn't happy about it.
I'm sure it is not as fun when the shoe is on the other foot.
Unfortunately, governments pick winners and losers - Obama did it, and now Walker is doing it.
It does suck.
Wasn't he gonna meet u before but his wife put a halt to it :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: I think your post were very mean spirited if i can recall. :142smilie
You certainly didn't have a majority who wanted Obama care!
Voting someone into office doesn't mean you will agree with everything they will try to slide past.
Does it mean you have to accept it? To a point, yes. Does it mean you have to give up your right to say, "I don't agree with you, sir."........Not a chance in hell.
And again: Pay is not the unions issue in this matter.
1. Walker COMPLETELY has refused to even have ONE SINGLE talk with any union since being governor.
He says nothing other than, "We're broke. There's nothing to negotiate with them."
2. He NEVER even hinted at breaking up the unions, and that is exactly what he is trying to do, no matter how YOU wish to see it.
Leaving us with only the power to bargain our wages DOWN, is really no bargain....is it?
Our union dues are currently automatically taken from our pay. Walker is doing away with that. Why? Why would he care how our dues get paid? This way....he's hoping a good chunk of the union members will try to "recoup their losses" from his fiasco by quitting the union, thus making IT weaker.
3. He's making each union be voted on each and every year by the workers, to keep it as the bargaining unit. Great! Can we have another election EVERY year, too?
Why doesn't he just have the Republicans pass a law making elections in Wisconsin illegal, and he and the Republicans can stay in power forever? He sure as shit seems to have that authority.
Good conversation Mags. A couple questions/points. Were the union leaders not there? How many were/were not? I'm guessing that many if not most were, as you are correct they are responsible to take that role, but that's just a guess.
I'm not familiar with how things go in Wisconsin, but in Minnesota I don't think it's the teacher's responsibility to get a replacement when they are not there. In fact, pretty sure it's not allowed, but that's just a guess - probably strict rules about that kind of thing. And as for sick days - who in here hasn't taken one for reasons less important than what this means to these teachers? I certainly have - quite a few of them in my 35-40 years of working.
What exactly would a few labor representatives been able to do - as you suggest - showing up there at the capital to represent the thousands of teachers, friends and family members this will effect? Do you honestly think there would have been any kind of negotiation? If so, what could possibly make you think that - listening to Walker and his absolute refusal to negotiate stance? And who will be next, possibly? Yep - the other union workers like fire and police workers, who were also out there supporting them.
As for the teachers going after school, I don't have the numbers. There were still thousands there late last night from what reports showed. But seems to make sense to be there when the whole things is being protested - which was on the timetable of Walker and the republicans - there can be no doubt about that, can there? You're suggesting the best thing for teachers across the state of Wisconsin (or other states, where this will surely happen soon) should wait until about 4:00 pm after their classes (if that's all they have to do at school that day), head to Madison from all over the state and make a strong statement outside at night, and then head back home to prepare for school, get up and teach, then head back to Madison for another evening of protests? Or, better yet, let the handful of union reps stand out there and yell a lot at republican lawmakers?
Sorry, I just don't get that line of thinking, except for the obvious benefit to Walker, the republicans, and those that share their agenda.
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Then why did you back out of meeting him after he offered to buy you dinner? In fact you came back and called him a pedofile after he offered to buy you dinner. Very classy.
Thanks for reminding us Sponge.
