Lost all respect for Warren Sapp..

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Personally, I don't think anyone here was crying about the Pack losing. What Sapp did was morally wrong. That guy had no chance to be a factor in the play. He could of paralyzed him. It is one thing to decleat someone who is in the vincinity, but do it many yards away to a 300 pound slough is bad. Not only that, TB was going to win the game, usually that stuff happens when you are frustrated or losing not when winning the war. The bottom line is be a man and attack face on. I look for the league to fine him pretty good. They always suspend or fine a guy that pops a defenseless receiver whether it was a penalty or not. And to you all....I am not a Packer fan and never will be. We have our own problems here in the 'burgh.

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Jr11 did you see the play?it was face on The lineman was asleep at the wheel and sapp hit him face to face. It was clean as far as the rules go.
 

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No hard feelings from me about you, just don't agree with yours and some others feelings on the play.
I took it the wrong way, sorry. Probably still pissed because I had a lousy week last week capped off with that missed extra point by Elam last night that cost me some change. The league will sort this incident out. Good Luck. :)
 

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Clean as far as rules but that doesnt make it right...

When i was a high school senior we used to do chit like that to under classmen... we knew they were cheap shots.. we thought it was funny.. This is totally different.. these guys are way to big and strong to clean someones clock when they arent ready for it.. phuck he could have broken that poor bastards neck!

Sapp is supposed to be a phuking professional!! He should know that hitting someone like that off guard could seriously injure him..

He knew that fat Phuk had no chance at running down a DB... the guy was so off balance all sapp had to do was put a hand on him.. probably would have knocked him over..
Christ just step in front of him if you are concerned he might run down a DB who runs a 4.4 40..

He saw an opportunity to knock the chit out of someone.. and he took it.. just like we did in high school..
He did it to be a jerk then laughed about it..
Be a phucking professional and show the game some respect!!
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it was clean, just morally wrong. would you have said anything if that guy got paralyzed? someone give any opinion on this one, would all you people think it was great if say Sapp would have separated his shoulder or something? no, you would be calling him a dumbass. there was just no need for that. why? they were going to win the game and that guy had no CHANCE to be a factor in that play....NONE. we all want to see great hits, but come on. i am sure that favor is going to be returned someday if they should play again, so stay tuned.

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interesting discussion about what football is and is not, and how it should be played. if no one minds, i think i'll throw my two cents in without calling anyone names on the other side of the issue. i could care less about the packers or tampa bay, and even though sapp is a hurricane alum i've always considered him too boorish to like. with all that in mind here's my take, having not seen the hit but certainly having heard all about it.

i did play football, from pop warner through college, but that was 30 years ago. however, there were several things i was taught at every level:

1. whenever play was live, and a teammate had the ball, i should level anyone that i could get to before the play was dead, whereever they were. if i didn't, i would be benched.


2. paybacks were not only allowed, they were demanded. that is to say, if a teammate was cheap-shotted, the offender had to be caught and punished before the game was over (preferably with a legal hit). this could usually best and most easily be done when the action was far away on some other part of the field, as players are most likely to let up and not see the payback coming. if i didn't back up my teammates in this manner, i would be benched.

3. i was taught to use my helmet as a weapon, from the techniques to be used to being supplied with other protective equipment to minimize the impact of these hits. i know college and pro ball is trying to eliminate these hits, and i think their intention is laudable. i also think it is completely impossible to effectively police and unequally called. i have yet to see a running back called for drilling some cornerback or safety with his helmet at the end of a running play. i cannot see the distinction, and have seen plenty of db's put out of games in this manner.

4. it ain't pretty out there, and there are lots of big, fast, strong, mean men doing lots of nasty things to each other almost constantly. i think the players do a better job of policing the game than either the officials or the league.
 

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loophole said:
1. whenever play was live, and a teammate had the ball, i should level anyone that i could get to before the play was dead, whereever they were. if i didn't, i would be benched.


2. paybacks were not only allowed, they were demanded. that is to say, if a teammate was cheap-shotted, the offender had to be caught and punished before the game was over (preferably with a legal hit). this could usually best and most easily be done when the action was far away on some other part of the field, as players are most likely to let up and not see the payback coming. if i didn't back up my teammates in this manner, i would be benched.
Good post. I snipped some, but what you wrote here in (2) is what gets me. You say the pay-back was "most easily be done when the action was far away on some other part of the field, as players are most likely to let up and not see the payback coming".

Exactly. That's the whole point. On any play, you can take guys out because of this. I always thought there was an unspoken agreement that you don't level guys who are out of the paly and have given up even though it's legal. As far as I'm concerned, its OK for payback, but just doing it like Sapp did when it serves no strategic purpose is what I have a problem with.
 

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Not sure I can add anything that hasn't already been said but my opinion:

The hit looked legal to me. In fact it looked like a textbook hit.

My problem is the judgement call. Yes the game moves fast and all that. But I really belive Sapp knew how far this big offensive lineman was away from the play when he made the hit and knew this guy (who appeared to be lightly jogging, almost like he just wanted the coach's to see he was at least making an effort even though he had no chance making a play) had no chance of tackling the interceptor. If Clifton had got right up would anybody be talking about this. It is because he got injured that Sherman got upset (and was probably pretty frustrated with losing the game) and then all this follows. How many times have we seen some DL go right after the QB after he throws an INT just becasue the QB is now on defense and is fair game. Most of the time they go right after the QB regardless of how close he is to making a play. I can understand it to a point but don't condone it. I mean your chasing this QB all day and when there is an INT you have a chance for a clean hit you take it. If the QB (or whoever) is close to the play I can understand it, if not then I think that something should be done. I remeber one game where N.O was playing the NYG and it looked like all 4 DL went right after Kerry Collins when he threw an INT.

Maybe the NFL has to come up w/ a judgement rule for this kind of thing. But I can't really see any way that would work or if it would even be right. Plus I could be totally wrong here as this is just my opinion. I hope Clifton is ok and do not have any more or less respect for Sapp than I did before the game. To me the bigger issue here is whether or not topenalize defensive players who go after players on the other team when there is some kind of turnover regardless of where that player is on the field.
 

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its a bunker mentaility in any sport

its a bunker mentaility in any sport

you see it at little league level even .. is that excusable? no... for sapp to tell a middle aged man to "F-off!" and challenge him to put on uni, speaks about sapp's trigger, little else ... Sherman shouldve known hed get some reaction .. like tom jackson said, "No coach ever needs to say anything on the field. Leave it your players to take care of it."

also a good buddy of mine who coached fball for long time and played said, "There's a spirit of the games and then the rules. Yes, it was legal shot, but was it in the spirit of the game? No it wasnt."

take care, my 2 cents,
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heres a question??

what about the helmet to helmet fine!!!??

ive seen DBs get flagged and fined for nothing more than trying to make a play...

then they let Sapps fat A$$ get away w/ that crap...

at least give him the helmet to helmet fine.. :shrug:
 

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spoke to a ref friend of mine today..

he said that in high school and NCAA there is a "defenseless player rule".. he said that hit more than qualifies to make the call for a penelty..
he said in every other league Sapps hit is a 15yrd personal foul penalty..
he wasnt sure if the NFL had a "defenseless player rule":shrug:
 

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The question always was about a cheep shot. Three pages of chit here back and fourth. Football is tough sport I know, I played it. But that kind of cheep shot was a no/no. To bad the dumb f??k didn't break his own arm or knee. Would be interesting to see what his coach would have to say. Ya good job knocking that guy out he was real close to making the tackle in about another 2 minutes if he ever got there at all. Hey if Clifton was even 15 yards away it was still dumb. I mean the dumb ass Sapp could have hurt himself. For what? It's just dumb football. And you guys sticking up for a dumb ass like that. F//k the rules legal or not. If you don't wish to call it cheap at least be smart enough to call it dumb.
 

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Can We?? Should We??

Can We?? Should We??

This line from Jurasic Park is one of my favorites: "You were so busy proving you could, you forgot to consider if you should" .

Try thinking a minute, how you might explain to a young school age child, about respect for rules and teachers and parents, while viewing this play with them!! If you don't get caught or penalized, then it's alright!!

The physical challenge to a coach, after the game, on TV, should be addressed to avoid future repercussions. Just an apology by Sapp or his coach would go a long way toward mending fences.

Keep it Positive, Topdog
 

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daboy it was legal no one said it was not. But it was dumb and you would say the same dam thing if Sapp had broken his own neck. To bad the dumb ass didn't. He should save his energy for when it's really needed. That play was not needed. He was dumb. Forget about cheap.
 

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Daboyz22

I hope that your post about an apology isn't refering to my post, since I only addressed the calling out of a elderly coach and retired athelete, by a highly rated premier athelete, and much younger man, as apology material. The use of the "F" word several times on National TV also is wrong.

I wonder how many people that are rigid rule guys would be content to receive a speeding ticket for 56mph in a 55mph zone. After all it is the rule!!

I will continue to avoid making this personal, but I do notice that there is no mention of explaining this type event to a child.

Please keep it Positive, Topdog
 

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timeout for an important editorial comment

timeout for an important editorial comment

"FREE WINONA!!!!!!!!!!!!!".....................:eek: :shrug: :D :D :D
 

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Sapp lives up to his name. He's a piece of sh*t, period. Yes it was a clean hit, but it was 20 yards away from the play and wasn't going to affect the play no matter had he blocked him or not. Then to celebrate while the guy was on the ground was downright classless. I hate the Packers but I hate this clod even worse. :thefinger
 

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My last post on this subject ...

My last post on this subject ...

... until Sapp gets his turn.

First, I see where the league has announced that no action will be taken towards Sapp, they have anointed this as an ordinary play, just part of the action, no fine, no nothing.

Second, it's possible that Clifton's NFL days may be over because of this. It's possible his walking days may be over as well, apparently he has severe injuries to ligaments in his pelvis and will remain hospitalized for at least 3-4 more days. Congratulations Warren. Perhaps you would like to 'whip his ass' as well while he's laying in the hospital, finish the job as it were.

Third, I think there is a double standard here. I think that if Romo had done this he would have been fined AND suspended. Sapp gets a hall pass. Figure it out.

Fourth, since the league thinks this is OK, then it's OK. Fine. Dandy. Just part of the game. Good hit. Protect yourself at all times. You bet. I'm all for that.

Fifth, when it's Sapp's turn and he's the one who is lying in bed in the hospital, possibly facing the end of his career due to being earholed, I hope that he is man enough to say 'What's the problem? It was a clean, legal hit'. I hope that all the people who have been supporting Sapp in this debate will be consistent and support whoever takes Sapp out of the game.

And lastly, when that day does come (and it surely will), I'm going to raise a toast to the player who takes Sapp out of the NFL. I suspect, however, that when that day comes we'll probably be hearing from Johnny Cochran and some of his people instead of this steady stream of calm platitudes from the sports announcers.

That's my humble opinion and that's all I have to say until Sapp gets his payback - which truly IS a motherf*cker.

This is for you, Warren Sapp, you brainless thug -> :thefinger :thefinger
 
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