Penn State/Joe Pa

PaSprint

Registered User
Forum Member
Jan 2, 2007
2,693
62
0
Central PA
Worth a read....copy/paste of course :popcorn2

I am posting this because for those of you who know me you also know that my essential being and person can ultimately be defined in one thing, Penn State. I grew up in a Penn State home, in rural (and I do mean rural) Pennsylvania, dreamed of going to Penn State, went to Penn State, and continue to represent and be an ambassador for the school that has given me so much. The entire Penn State scandal has shaken me all the way to the deepest part of my core. It is very hard for me to put in to words how I feel but I am going to try, so upcoming will be my best attempt. Penn State students and alums, there are special messages at the end for you, so please if nothing else, read them if you are too uncomfortable reading about the rest.



I have decided to make this note a public one, so hopefully some Penn Staters and part of the general public who are confused, misinformed, or just generally have no idea what is going on may read it and it can offer some perspective on the situation that has made the entire nation sick to its stomach. I invite all of you to discuss openly opinions and use this as a forum for awareness and to cultivate a discussion that needs to take place, and to my professor at Penn State, Michelle Rodino-Colocino, you are part of my inspiration for this, thank you for always making it ok to talk about anything.



For those of you who firmly stand in different camps, I salute you, that means you care, however, don't cement yourself in the ground there, things will change, and quickly, so please be open to a change in opinion just as I am. Most of you have VERY STRONG opinions, which is fine, I have tried to temper back my feelings to take a more objective approach. Whether that was successful or not I will leave up to you. Finally, do not attack each other, listen to others opinions and state yours, but no more hate needs to come out of this than there already has, this is America, people are entitled to opinions. If your opinion were the ultimate authority, you would not be reading this post, you would be leading the world, so please remember that while commenting.



I will touch on a variety of topics, starting with the accused and going all the way to addressing Penn State students and Alumni, so bear with me. Not all of you will agree with all I have to say, and that is fine because I am not even close to an expert on the subject, and am probably missing some things in my arguments, but for those of you who don't agree I hope my perspective at least opens up to you a new possibility and makes you think, as well as poses as a starting point for discussion to take place which will help shape my future opinions as well. All of this will undoubtedly change but here are my lengthy initial reactions:



Topic 1-Jerry Sandusky- He is regarded as a phenomenal defensive mind and had a great tenure at Penn State being the DC for two national championship teams. He was around for 32 years on the Penn State coaching staff and during his time was loved by most Penn State football fans for regularly producing an above average defense with at least some degree of NFL level talent somewhere in the starting line-up. He is being accused of sexually assaulting 8 different young boys singled out within his charity The Second Mile. For those of you who read the 23 page Findings of Fact by the Grand Jury you, like myself, are absolutely mortified at the acts he allegedly performed. The acts are beyond grotesque and if they are indeed true there is no punishment grand enough for such a heinous crime. Although Sandusky himself maintains his innocence, (as reiterated by his lawyer already) the evidence is monumentally stacked against him. There is no way that this amount of evidence piles together on accident or coincidence. The only reason I even still type alleged is because due process has not run its course. After reading that graphic novel of a 23-page document, there is no way you can defend him at this juncture. You just can't make that stuff up. Let it run its course, he will get what is coming to him.



Topic 2-Mike Mcqueary Mike is a current wide receiver coach and recruiting coordinator for the Penn State football team, he is the graduate assistant who allegedly in 2002 witnessed Sandusky performing anal sex with a victim approximately 10 years of age in the Lasch Football Building showers. I am so sorry Mike, I cannot imagine what witnessing this can do to someone, especially someone who I am sure looked up to Sandusky (being that he was a former player). Mike immediately left the building and called his father who advised he turn it over to Paterno. He did just that. Mike did what any person who grows up in American society would do, realized he did not know what to do, but went to a trusted person and advisor to seek counsel on the situation. It is standard protocol. In any other situation or environment Mike would have been commended as a hero for what he did in not remaining silent, but we all know this is where failure begins, so he will not be awarded that opportunity. Mike is a victim in this as well, and I would like to say thank you Mike, you did do the right thing in telling someone what you saw, not everyone, including some people who are reading this might have been brave enough to report that. If Mike didn?t tell someone, what would have happened? This could still be going on and no one would know. So if you have reservations on Mike?s actions, be careful with what you say. However, there are some holes in this story that require some more questions.



The difficult questions to ask:

Did you follow up after reporting it? What about after you still saw Sandusky around? I know you are smarter than that, you had to know something wasn?t right. McQueary is more responsible for this than Joe Paterno is, whether you like it or not.

If it something you saw, beyond ANY doubt, how could you ever see Sandusky around the program and not just want to just kill him for what you saw?

After it went through what the AD (who probably signs his checks) called due process, did you question it? Did you think due process was served?



And to the public, if you thought questioning the process of your superior investigating something you saw would endanger your job and financial future, would YOU follow up and push for justice?





Topic 3-Joe Paterno There is very little in this story that I have a stronger opinion on than Joe Paterno. For those of you who think Joe Paterno is to blame and was knowingly covering it up for 15 years, I am sorry but that is something I am not willing to accept at this juncture and there is no real evidence beyond speculation to support that. I read the report, I know what it says, but there is nothing in there to make me believe he knew of it the whole time and just did nothing. He did do something. He reported it to the PROPER people literally the day after he had talked to McQueary. It is then in the hands of Curley, not Joe Paterno. If Joe Paterno had in fact immediately went above his superiors (which has happened before, and in any normal working environment, is NEVER advised) and went straight to the police, the police would have asked him this question, "Did you witness it?" His answer would have been no and they would have worked with McQueary and the parties involved to investigate, so Paterno would be again out of the legal equation. It still would have been a huge story, but Paterno?s integrity would not have been in question. He is REQUIRED since he did not witness said event to turn it over to the proper persons so they may conduct an investigation and decide what the best course of action is. If he did not do so he would be in as much crap as the rest of them. That then falls in the jurisdiction of the Penn State Administration, NOT Joe Paterno. Joe Paterno is a football coach, not a detective, not an investigator. If he truly thought this happened he needed to report it to Penn State authorities because in a work environment it isn't his decision to make, it NEEDED to be investigated by Penn State FIRST before the police, and he IS NOT the person to do that job. While he represents Penn State and IS Penn State, HE IS NOT PENN STATE. There are however, moral implications, and this...



Yes this will unfortunately end Joe Paterno's career in my opinion, not because he is wrong in his actions, and most certainly not because he was covering anything up for the state of the program (I truly do believe that, and if that turns out to be the case, my world will be shattered), but because Paterno has said before that when he starts to become a distraction and hurts the program he will step aside. This will more than likely turn in to that situation because in the court of public opinion he has already been hung. The majority of the pessimistic public thinks this is a MASSIVE cover up from the ground up and some tend to think Paterno was behind it all because he wanted to maintain the positive view of the program. Look, I understand "The Grand Experiment" is important to Joe but Penn Staters and general public alike ask yourself this, Do you HONESTLY think Joe Paterno would hold the state of the program above the welfare of children? There is absolutely no way, you can not hide the fact you are a bad person for 60 YEARS and not have one thing to question your integrity or honesty up to that point then all of a sudden turn back around and hide molestation of children. He has been cooperative and has been cleared by the State (for now) and at this point is not a target, yet he remains a target by the general public and by the media because of the simple fact it happened within Penn State football which is regarded with a squeaky clean image that people outside of Penn State simply can not stand.



For years Paterno has been regarded as an almost God-like figure within the public eye, who stands for everything right in College Football. However, he is in fact human. He cannot see all. I absolutely can see Curley and Schultz telling Paterno (as any HR dept. or administration would) that the matter is being investigated and handled internally, as Paterno was not present at the meeting between McQueary and Curley/Schultz. At this point the matter is between McQueary, Curley, and Schultz. The only thing Paterno can do is say, "Hey Mike, is that situation being taken care of?" To which Mike probably said yes as I am sure he believed it was. Now, all of this happened over spring break, and for those of you who are football fans, you understand after spring break comes spring practice. At this point I am 100% positive both McQueary and Paterno's focus was on spring ball, nothing else. After hearing the incident was reported to the Second Mile and Sandusky's keys were taken away, what could McQueary, or even Paterno really do? In their mind it was being handled, his keys were taken away and he was asked not to bring kids on campus, however the tough question remains,



Did that solve the problem of the boy being raped in the shower?



Short answer, no. And that is what most people struggle with. However, is it entirely out of the realm of possibility to think that Paterno thought it was handled and decided to focus on his job and the football team? No. Now details will soon emerge as to Sandusky's role after this incident in the program and whether he did still bring kids around the program after the incident. (It should be noted that it is generally believed Paterno and Sandusky were not each other?s biggest fans around the time of Jerry?s departure, so contact between the two was most likely minimal if this were the case.) If Paterno was suspicious and Sandusky was around and STILL bringing kids around, he should have reported it, no question, but we don?t know that to be the case for a fact. And none of this means that Paterno knew of what was going on and just turned the other cheek for the sake of the program, and to assume so is, while human, wrong. This system doesn't always get it right, but it does a good majority of the time, so until something happens to tell me other wise, Paterno did nothing more than make a mistake a pretty big mistake in judgment, which we all are subject to. He is not out of the water, but also should not be judged as harshly as he currently is being.



Topic 4- Curley, Schultz, and the Administration By this point we have a pretty clear picture of what their role was, they had a meeting with McQueary, post witnessing the shower and post meeting with Paterno. The Findings of Fact state they met with him and he said he saw something disturbing in the shower involving Sandusky and a little boy. This is where things get hazy, and if in fact they did know more than what they testified, they are at as much fault as anyone else and deserve whatever punishment is coming to them. The media is overlooking them and that sickens me to no end, because they were ultimately the ones who decided to take the course of action that decided the direction of the non-case.



They did not report it to the police, did not review a case in 1998 regarding Sandusky and inappropriate behavior, and allegedly did not know it existed. All they did was revoke his keys and say no more kids on campus, and report it to The Second Mile, which Sandusky is in charge of. Even if they did report it to the Second Mile, what did they think would happen to it once Sandusky found out about it? It would just disappear. They don't have the same pass I give Joe, they don't have the option to pass it up to, IT IS thier job to investigate and report it to the police. This should have consumed their entire being while they investigated and the moment they had more than a reasonable doubt they absolutely should have gone to the police. Why they didn't, I do not know, all I can do is say they are wrong in that manner and I am perplexed at how it didn't end up in the authorities hands. It does however explain a little about some of the things that happened afterwards, like say, how he still had access to Lasch. If he didn't people would ask questions undoubtedly, and answers WOULD have surfaced, there is no doubt this manner was discussed in detail in private, including Spanier, who ultimately had to give his seal of approval, and it is my belief that if there IS any level of cover up, this is where it started. Their actions make no logical sense, unless I am completely missing something. The course of action was to revoke him of his keys and ban him from bringing kids to the locker room while reporting the incident to The Second Mile.



Graham Spanier your time will come in this, as of now your role has been minumum, but we have not forgotten about you. If you knew as much as Curley and Schultz did, you are equally responsible, and deserve the same fate as they do.



Again ask yourself, but how does that solve the problem of the boy who was raped?



Topic 5-The Media The media is where a lot of my disappointment lies. We (I say we because my degree is in Journalism) are supposed to be level headed, the voice of reason, but we live in an age where political opinion effects which news stations we watch and what papers we read because of hidden agendas of the media and our own. I don't care what outlet your get your news from know this-the media is completely missing the point. I get it; you want to be the ones who breaks a story that Joe is leaving, but what about the victims? What about their families? What about the people WHO ARE ACTUALLY ACCUSED OF DOING WRONG? I understand if Paterno was involved in it there is a story there, but until something surfaces why are you talking about it? There are victims here, and all you are doing is potentially creating another one who out of all of them may be the most innocent. Paterno IS part of the story, but there has been nowhere that encompasses the full scope of what has happened aside from A COLLEGE NEWSPAPER.



I am begging you, please get the full story, and please stop calling for heads to roll until you know they in fact should roll.



I have seen enough lives unjustly ruined by the media taking them down. It is beyond a travesty to forever taint a legacy of good with something that ?allegedly? happened. The damage has already been done, and if Paterno steps down and is ultimately cleared the media is responsible for ruining the greatest legacy in college sports history. But I?m sure you have already thought of that and decided that is a pill you are prepared to swallow.



Topic 6-Penn State Athletics and the football program- This will have an effect, a long term one. What effect it has on this team we will find out on Saturday but I do know this, this team has a lot of character, and I think they will play with something to prove for the rest of the season.



As for the future it will effect recruiting (it already has with 5 star defensive end Noah Spence, who placed PSU in the lead because of the integrity and image of the football program which may forever be tarnished) and when we clean house if it does happen, there will be a Michigan like transition period that will not be pretty. Penn State football will not die, there is too much talent, too much tradition, and too much money at stake to allow that, so do not panic.



If Joe goes, there are A LOT of coaches who would kill for this job. Regarding Urban Meyer, if he is interested he will come to us in due time. However, I am almost positive this will not happen until after the season. These acts are not the fault of the current players, and there is no reason to punish them by overhauling the entire coaching staff mid season, that is just ludicrous. Urban Meyer has too much respect for Penn State to come in and try to do that, and while Penn State as a whole may be panicking, they are too smart to do that as well. For those of you who heard rumors of him buying a house in Boalsburg, here is Steve Jones? comment on that- "In 1977 Roger Staubach allegedly bought a home in pleasant gap to become the offensive coordinator...that rumor ran all over the place for weeks and Roger kept showing up in Dallas for some odd reason." So until something official is released, he will keep showing up to ESPN, so calm down.



Topic 7 Penn State Alumni and students- You are probably as torn apart by this as I am. It feels as though someone has torn out my very soul. If you need inspiration in all of this I ask you look in two places, first and foremost with each other. The saying We Are Penn State is not here by accident. We are a family, and families stick together through thick and thin. Support one another and stand strong, brighter days are coming I promise you.



Next I hope that you look to THON if you need a reminder as to how powerful Penn State can be. Penn State decided they wanted to make a movement back in 1973 that has turned in to the biggest student run philanthropy in the world. If Penn State can take something as negative as childhood cancer and turn it in to something so powerful and beautiful I see no reason why the same can?t be done here.



Now I have already seen protests and threats made at the athletic department and I ask that you PLEASE stop this. You are not punishing those who are wrong by stopping donations; you are punishing future kids and their education by doing that. Your donations keep the University running and tuition from rising to astronomical levels. If you think stopping Penn State's revenue stream punishes those who are wrong in this case you are mistaken. I ask that you instead participate in a movement I found today that students are trying to put together which is a Blue Out this weekend to raise Childhood Abuse Awareness. Instead of taking such a negative approach against those who are wrong I invite you to take a stand and try to help those who are hurt and those who might be hurt in the future. We all know how powerful Penn State can be, and maybe with your help we can prevent something like this from happening in the future and create another movement that could turn in to something equally good and powerful as THON.



Finally, please show up this weekend, and continue to support this team. They are as confused and lost as you and I, and showing the Penn State community stands together is the only way I know how to do this because Penn State you are a part of my family, I will always stand behind you because you always do what is right. Do not let the shameful acts of a few be the representation of Penn State as a whole. Take your anger and use it productively. Defend your school, make sure the world knows that this is NOT what Penn State stands for and we are doing all we can to fix it and make sure it never happens again. We are better than some of the actions and movements I have seen thus far. Stand strong, stand proud, and STAND TOGETHER while you sing your alma matter. Lastly, sing it and mean it when you say "May no act of ours bring shame?" this weekend.



We are...and always will be...Penn State



Kevin Fay
 

jr11

08-18-05
Forum Member
Jul 19, 2002
5,830
29
0
114
HELL
Paterno is a piece of shit. He should have walked himself and saved some face. All he ever cared about was his legacy and the PSU name/brand. Its amazing how many people still defend him, you all should see it over this way in Western PA.
 

the addict

BI-WINNING
Forum Member
Oct 9, 2009
13,034
116
0
40
PA proud
Pathetic that this is the focus of the investigation....




Makes me feel for the families....they had their children sexually abused and people are more concerned about th eeir football coach
 

UGA12

Registered User
Forum Member
Jul 7, 2003
7,779
108
63
Between The Hedges
Just watching the replay of the presser and my biggest question is why and the hell would this guy sit out here and take questions anyway. Take the mic and say the fuking enabler has been fired as has the President and we as a BOT's would like to deeply apologize and promise we will rid the university of anyone within an arm?s reach of this sickening shit. This is not the time for this university to concern itself with the well-being of the football program and for all that are here putting sport in front of a child molestation cover up, go fuck yourself! Goodnight!
 

gjn23

Registered User
Forum Member
Mar 20, 2002
9,319
45
48
55
So. Cal
to kevin fay's response.....i stopped reading your bullshit after you called mike mccreary a victim and a hero.
 

Jinxbreaker

Registered User
Forum Member
Nov 1, 2005
2,170
9
0
Kernersville NC
Amen GA....I have a team to hate for the rest of my life!!56-0 on Sat wont be enough...what do u think all the farm boys from NEB will be thinking on Sat. They will take their anger out on the players
 

Mr. Poon

Sugar?
Forum Member
Jan 14, 2006
13,160
209
0
Colorado
I read on, but then stopped when he defended paterno

Same here.

Paterno was an enabler. I don't care what he has achieved, he has to shoulder the blame for being an enabler and shouldn't be afforded any privileges or courtesy of one more game, to carry out the season, etc.

Anyone who does not consider him an enabler, does not grasp the severity of the crimes in my mind.
 

Gags

Moneybags
Forum Member
Apr 30, 2005
2,608
7
38
Allentown, Pa
I read on, but then stopped when he defended paterno

I'm a few hours from campus and I'm shocked how everyone is defending Paterno and not even talking about his fuck up. Everywhere I read and talk with people, they worship the guy and can't believe he was fired. Just fucking pathetic how people are today...
 

dcgoz

is happy..
Forum Member
Nov 24, 2008
717
6
0
Bham, Al
Don't know this Fay guy, but anybody who had knowledge of that one WITNESSED incident and didn't report it to the law shares ALL the blame for subsequent incidents (sounds like at least half dozen more). So keeping his mouth shut got him a coaching gig... well I hope he and his gutless POS father are both proud.

Do you break protocol and go above your superiors and/or outside your admin (i.e., police) if you see your boss drinking at work? No. If you spot him with a whore? No. Fucking a goddamn 10 yr old kid? Shit, man... I dont care how fucking long Joepa has been there, how many kids he and his admin graduated, how "clean" his program was... he/they knowingly and selfishly allowed children to get molested... that's indefensible.
 
  • Like
Reactions: JOSHNAUDI

shawn555

Registered
Forum Member
Apr 11, 2000
7,195
142
63
berlin md
Supposedly there is new major allegation in the case against Sandusky coming tomorrow.

Wonder how much longer before Joe is looking at an arrest.
 

redsfann

ale connoisseur
Forum Member
Aug 3, 1999
9,436
586
113
61
Somewhere in Corn Country
Supposedly there is new major allegation in the case against Sandusky coming tomorrow.

Wonder how much longer before Joe is looking at an arrest.

It can't come soon enough....Paterno should be strung up by his tiny little balls in a public square along with all the other sub-human pieces of shit that allowed this to go on as long as it did. I waited this long before commenting on this because I was so afraid that Paterno would some how skate out of this...but he was fired tonight and hopefully this is only the beginning of what is going to happen to all these pieces of sub-human garbage that had anything to do with this whole thing.
My kids are 4 and 2 years old and I've hugged them and cried too many times thinking that something like this could happen to them.
I realize that on a daily basis these things happen and they sadden me when I read about them. But as a huge sports fan--and an even bigger college football fan-this story sickens me to my core. I have so much more I want to say but I'm breaking down....
 
Last edited:

hedgehog

Registered
Forum Member
Oct 30, 2003
32,937
738
113
50
TX
what about the DA that went missing? :shrug: Is Sandusky a murderer too:sadwave: never found his body and his computer was found in a river

this whole story is beyond unbelievable
 

BuckwheatJWN

Registered User
Forum Member
Aug 13, 2009
3,124
37
48
How come the rest of the coaches weren't fired?:shrug: Doesn't make much sense to me to have TOM BRADLEY a career asst take over. :0corn
 

SixFive

bonswa
Forum Member
Mar 12, 2001
18,942
359
83
54
BG, KY, USA
I like a few others on here have posted can not get past the grad assistant redhead witnessing such a heinous act and doing nothing to stop it!!!

I'm not violent; I've only ever been in a few very minor scraps related to playing sports. I do know for a fact though that if I saw an old man molesting a 10 year old boy I would have launched myself at him in an all out effort to make him stop! It would a natural response for any man I would think?? How do u just witness that and do nothing but tattle on him?:shrug: can u imagine if Lawtchan, Woodson, Gmroz, NickmDet, Madjack, or any of the other big m'fers I have met from this site saw that?? That would have been a man beaten to a pulp, no question, and this scandal would have been over before it started. Victim?? Pussy to the nth degree is more like it. Fuk him! There is no mistaking a grown man putting his dik in a little boy! I hope I never witness a sick act like that, but I at least know I would have been successful or died trying in attempts to get that old man off that boy!
 

MadJack

Administrator
Staff member
Forum Admin
Super Moderators
Channel Owner
Jul 13, 1999
106,199
2,413
113
71
home
Does Sandusky still live with his 6 adopted children?

I can't get this story out of my mind and I can't get that shower scene out of my mind.

This is one of the most sickening scandals I have ever heard of.

He can't be living with those kids, can he?

I can't believe he's out on bail. WTF is going on?
 

Sportsaholic

Jack's Mentor
Forum Member
Jan 18, 2000
32,345
314
0
63
Crustacean Nation
Does Sandusky still live with his 6 adopted children?

I can't get this story out of my mind and I can't get that shower scene out of my mind.

This is one of the most sickening scandals I have ever heard of.

He can't be living with those kids, can he?

I can't believe he's out on bail. WTF is going on?

Sandusky will never make it to trail........Only question is how he ends it. I keep wondering if he ever tried anything with a current or past player.....We'll also hear more and more "Victims" coming forward, good luck sorting out out the real ones....
 

Skipper

BITCH!!
Forum Member
Feb 19, 2003
4,733
44
48
Knoxville
And how about how ESPN is reporting on this story....I noticed how they were leaving a key part of Paterno's quote out last night, and I'm glad someone picked up on it. Judge for yourself. (Taken from a Deadspin.com article)

You guys have lived for this place. I've lived for people like you guys and girls. I'm just so happy to see that you feel so strongly about us and about our school. And as I said, I don't know if you heard me or not, is, you know, the kids who were victims or whatever they want to say, I think we all ought to say a prayer for them. It's a tough life when people do certain things to you. But anyway, you've been great. Everything's great, all right.

What the written transcript doesn't reveal is the very clear sense that the man who is speaking is not only lost and doddering; he's also got lawyers in his head clear down to his brain stem, all of them telling him not to say anything substantive. That's the most reasonable explanation for that awful "or whatever they want to say." The word "victims" came out of Paterno's mouth, and he immediately tried to back away?calling them "victims" means assuming Jerry Sandusky's guilt?which got him tangled in his own syntax.

Still, the words come out, clearly and on the record: He refers to the young boys whom Sandusky allegedly sexually abused as "the kids who were victims, or whatever they want to say." This is an 84-year-old trying to be both a crisis manager and a moral leader, and failing miserably at being either. That's one uncomfortable truth to have emerged out of Happy Valley in the past couple of days, and his brief speech made it plain to anyone paying attention. This is how media outlets dealt with the quote in question.

Daily Collegian:

"The kids who were victims, whatever they want to say, I think we need to say a prayer for them," Paterno said.

USA Today:

The kids that were victims or whatever they want to say, I think we all ought to say a prayer for them.

Washington Post:

And as I said, I don't know if you heard me or not, is, you know, the kids who were victims or whatever they want to say, I think we all ought to say a prayer for them.

CNN Wire:

Paterno told supporters outside his home Tuesday, "It's hard for me to tell you how much this means to me ... You know, with the kids that were victims, whatever they want to say, I think we ought to say a prayer for them ... tough life when people do certain things to you."

Fox Sports:

And as I said, I don't know if you heard me or not, is, you know, the kids who were victims or whatever they want to say, I think we all ought to say a prayer for them.

Chicago Tribune:

The kids who are victims ... I think we all ought to say a prayer for them.

AP:

"The kids that were the victims ... I think we all ought to say a prayer for them," Paterno said Tuesday night at his house.

ESPN:

Paterno asked the students to say a prayer for the alleged victims, adding that "it's a tough life when people do certain things to you."

And finally, via Breaking Tackles, the ESPN ticker:

The kids that were victims, I think we all ought to say a prayer for them

I tell you one thing JoePa, you sick fuck, you better hope people are praying for you and your band of enablers. Like I said in my blog:

"May God have mercy on your soul."
 

Skipper

BITCH!!
Forum Member
Feb 19, 2003
4,733
44
48
Knoxville
Sandusky will never make it to trail........Only question is how he ends it. I keep wondering if he ever tried anything with a current or past player.....We'll also hear more and more "Victims" coming forward, good luck sorting out out the real ones....

I can tell you what will happen if that sick fawk makes it to prison. He better requested being in the hole, or he will get what is coming to him.

I also have a feeling that Joe Enabler might not be out of the woods yet when it comes to an indictment. He and that sick red-headed POS.
 
Bet on MyBookie
Top